Marvin Hagler Overrated Legacy?

[dde91]

Mafia Paid Hagler to throw the fight. Why do you think he moved to Italy after????

[Thread Stealer]

I think highly of Hagler. He was a great fighter, versatile, complete. His win over Hearns was one of the best displays of changing from your usual style and being very effective doing it. He faced solid opposition pre-title and took on the top guys after winning his title. I don't think he lost to Watts, I thought he got robbed there, and thought he beat Anutfermo in the draw as well.

I'm not a big fan of his continuous whining over the Leonard fight (which I had even BTW) though. It was a close fight and could have gone either way.

[billionaire]

hagler deserves credit for coming up the hard way and being an exciting fighter, but he fought in a weak era with biggest wins over smaller men....i cant picture hagler getting past monzons jab in any way....

i dont think he would beat a prime mike mccallum, a guy who cant be ko'd and is forced to box...

[princemanspoper]

**** thread. Hagler earned his accolades. Every fighter gets **** on by at least a few people on here no matter what he does.

I don't know any in particular but I am sure there is some type of hip hop forum for your kind to sign up on

I put some more thought into this one for you...

Mafia Paid Hagler to throw the fight. Why do you think he moved to Italy after????

Because there wan't enough whine in Brockton

[mickey malone]

hagler deserves credit for coming up the hard way and being an exciting fighter, but he fought in a weak era with biggest wins over smaller men....i cant picture hagler getting past monzons jab in any way....

i dont think he would beat a prime mike mccallum, a guy who cant be ko'd and is forced to box...

I agree... McCallum would have given him fits..
I'd also say that he was beaten quite convincingly by Leonard..

Hagler was a great fighter though, & was undisputed champ with 13 defenses, all be it, in a weak era, especially at MW & HW.. Only he & Larry Holmes, were the truly dominant champs, with Hagler, slightly more so.. For that he deserves credit.. I'm sure I couldn't name 10 AT MW's who would have beaten him...

[Dynamite Kid]

I think highly of Hagler. He was a great fighter, versatile, complete. His win over Hearns was one of the best displays of changing from your usual style and being very effective doing it. He faced solid opposition pre-title and took on the top guys after winning his title. I don't think he lost to Watts, I thought he got robbed there, and thought he beat Anutfermo in the draw as well.

I'm not a big fan of his continuous whining over the Leonard fight (which I had even BTW) though. It was a close fight and could have gone either way.

I dont think he lost to Watts either. Watts did okay early but Hagler started to take over that fight and Watts was very tired at the end hanging on.

[ßringer]

Now I just got done posting a response in another thread in regards to Marvin Hagler and I was on way to giving a more in depth response when I thought that it deserved a thread in itself,And that is in regard to Hagler and his legacy

Virtually every fighter is called overrated in this sport but this man,Hagler and his reseme never get questioned despite the fact that he fought in a fairly weak era of middleweights,despite the fact that he gets more credit for beating smaller fighters than any other fighter in history and he has gotten away with more whining and crying than any other fighter in the history of the sport

Hagler for years accused Hearns and Leonard of ducking him despite the fact that the two fought in division below him and unfortunately so many fans buy into this weak accusation,The very same argument could be used as to why Marvin Hagler never moved up to 175 to fight the likes of Michael Spinks and Dwight Muhammad Qawi.

Ray Leonard gets accused of ducking Hagler for five years despite the fact that apart from one dissapointing return showing he was retired due to a legitimate detached retina and regardless of whether you felt Hagler won this fight or not,I would think any unbiased,impartial viewer would have it as a very close fight.Leonard was given the nod and when time came for Hagler to simply give Leonard his credit he never did,He ran off crying like a school girl to Italy and let his **** sucking fans to make excuses for him

Infact he went out of his way to discredit the man now compare this Thomas Hearns class who hid the fact that he roke his right hand so nobody would discredit Haglers victory over him,He didn't have to do that but he did,Leonard an inactive welterweight was ale to e extremely competitive with a man who was predicted to destroy Leonard and yet this is never mentioned as it doesn't it Haglers "destruct and destroy" legacy


Men like Fulgencio Obelmejias and Mustafa Hamsho got second shots at Hagler despite beating both men decisively and yet deserving challengers like James Kinchen,James Shuler and Herol Graham never did

Marvin Hagler fans are welcome to come here and refute what I said because I unlike some do not put those who disagree with me on ignore

I actually agree with some of this.

Whether or not he's "overrated" or if his legacy itself is "overrated" is neither here nor there, IMO. Because in boxing it all depends on who you ask.

But I do like the fact that you touched on some of the things I've said about Hagler in the past and gotten harsh responses for.

Hagler fought an awful lot of "small" men in his day. His two biggest wins are over a Lightweight in Duran and a Welterweight in Hearns.

There were also quite a few smaller "Middleweights" who actually qualified as "Junior Middleweights" (or "Light", whichever you prefer) on his record.

Something I found very interesting a while back was in a debate about Hopkins and a few of the users were downing on Hopkins for fighting Trinidad and De La Hoya, meanwhile 1 of them was a rabid Hagler fan.

It amused me, to say the least.

As a fighter ; I've got no quarrells with him or his accomplishments.

I just find it odd how he's somehow managed to become one of the only fighters in history who not only got away with fighting quite a few smaller men ; but is actually revered for it.

[Dynamite Kid]

The fight Hagler actually did get robbed in was the Antuofermo fight, he won that fight clearly imo. Hagler was dominating the fight and Vito came on later in the fight and made the fight marginally closer but there is no way Vito did enough to earn a draw.

Hagler was robbed in this fight.

Hagler did not lose to Watts either although that was a little close because Watts did okay early on

[ßringer]

The fight Hagler actually did get robbed in was the Antuofermo fight, he won that fight clearly imo. Hagler was dominating the fight and Vitao came on later in the fight and made the fight marginally closer but there is no way Vito did enough to earn a draw.

Hagler was robbed in this fight.

Hagler did not lose to Watts either although that was a little close because Watts did okay early on.

Hagler deserved the nod against Vito, clearly.

I'm not sure I'd call it a robbery at the moment ; because it's been at least a few years since I've seen it, and I recall it being quite close at times.

But I did feel that Marvin did more than enough to deserve the nod that night.

Guess I'll have to rewatch it to be certain.

[Dynamite Kid]

I actually agree with some of this.

Whether or not he's "overrated" or if his legacy itself is "overrated" is neither here nor there, IMO. Because in boxing it all depends on who you ask.

But I do like the fact that you touched on some of the things I've said about Hagler in the past and gotten harsh responses for.

Hagler fought an awful lot of "small" men in his day. His two biggest wins are over a Lightweight in Duran and a Welterweight in Hearns.

There were also quite a few smaller "Middleweights" who actually qualified as "Junior Middleweights" (or "Light", whichever you prefer) on his record.

Something I found very interesting a while back was in a debate about Hopkins and a few of the users were downing on Hopkins for fighting Trinidad and De La Hoya, meanwhile 1 of them was a rabid Hagler fan.

It amused me, to say the least.

As a fighter ; I've got no quarrells with him or his accomplishments.

I just find it odd how he's somehow managed to become one of the only fighters in history who not only got away with fighting quite a few smaller men ; but is actually revered for it.

Hagler fought an awful lot of "small" men in his day. His two biggest wins are over a Lightweight in Duran and a Welterweight in Hearns.


I hear you there but by the same token i think he aslo fought a lot of big MW's to.............. Roldan, Obell, Sibson were very big Middleweights particularly Sibbo who looked more like a Cruiserweight to me rather than a Middleweight.