Marvin Hagler Overrated Legacy?

[Obama]

Had I not referenced James Shuler as a title contender,I don't think your post would have had the same compliment

Nah...it wasn't that. That was just a bonus.

[Benncollinsaad]

He never fought McCallum. Thats why his greatness will always be questioned. If he really was the greatest middleweight, he shoulda fought McCallum.

[Obama]

He never fought McCallum. Thats why his greatness will always be questioned. If he really was the greatest middleweight, he shoulda fought McCallum.

He prolly woulda fought McCallum had Leonard not come out of retirement. He went into crybaby mode after the Leonard fight. Too bad really, would have loved to see Hagler stick around and fight some of these guys:

McCallum, Kalambay, Barkley, Nunn, Benn, Eubank, Johnson

[VipersThunder]

Now I just got done posting a response in another thread in regards to Marvin Hagler and I was on way to giving a more in depth response when I thought that it deserved a thread in itself,And that is in regard to Hagler and his legacy

Virtually every fighter is called overrated in this sport but this man,Hagler and his reseme never get questioned despite the fact that he fought in a fairly weak era of middleweights,despite the fact that he gets more credit for beating smaller fighters than any other fighter in history and he has gotten away with more whining and crying than any other fighter in the history of the sport

Hagler for years accused Hearns and Leonard of ducking him despite the fact that the two fought in division below him and unfortunately so many fans buy into this weak accusation,The very same argument could be used as to why Marvin Hagler never moved up to 175 to fight the likes of Michael Spinks and Dwight Muhammad Qawi.

Ray Leonard gets accused of ducking Hagler for five years despite the fact that apart from one dissapointing return showing he was retired due to a legitimate detached retina and regardless of whether you felt Hagler won this fight or not,I would think any unbiased,impartial viewer would have it as a very close fight.Leonard was given the nod and when time came for Hagler to simply give Leonard his credit he never did,He ran off crying like a school girl to Italy and let his **** sucking fans to make excuses for him

Infact he went out of his way to discredit the man now compare this Thomas Hearns class who hid the fact that he roke his right hand so nobody would discredit Haglers victory over him,He didn't have to do that but he did,Leonard an inactive welterweight was ale to e extremely competitive with a man who was predicted to destroy Leonard and yet this is never mentioned as it doesn't it Haglers "destruct and destroy" legacy


Men like Fulgencio Obelmejias and Mustafa Hamsho got second shots at Hagler despite beating both men decisively and yet deserving challengers like James Kinchen,James Shuler and Herol Graham never did

Marvin Hagler fans are welcome to come here and refute what I said because I unlike some do not put those who disagree with me on ignore

He's somewhat over rated for a few reasons. Like you said he gets praise for beating and losing to smaller fighters while Hopkins gets criticized for knocking smaller fighters out. He also quit at 32 so fans never got to see the downside of his career. This is were you lose the auroa and show your weaknesses to the fans.

[princemanspoper]

And they say all humans are equal lol.This guy seriously needs to go top himself

He never fought McCallum. Thats why his greatness will always be questioned. If he really was the greatest middleweight, he shoulda fought McCallum.

Actually that argument applies much more to Thomas Hearns than it does Hagler.It's down to your own ******ity and ignorance that makes me have to defend Hagler and criticise Hearns but hagler can't be accused of ducking McCallum because he was never a factor at 160 while Hagler was still an active fighter.Hearns on the other hand can e accused of ducking McCallum

And I like Hearns and he did fight top ranked contenders at 154 but didn't fight Mike McCallum who was a top ranked contender turned champion

[GJC]

Whilst the fights that Hagler is remembered for were against guys moving up he pretty much gave a shot to everyone who was a legitimate contender IMO. Not the strongest bunch of MW's in history but you could level similar criticisms against a lot of fighters through the ages.
Nothing I saw of Shuler and Kinchen leads me to believe that they would have given Hagler problems but I wouldn't argue that they deserved a shot over Hamsho getting his
2nd shot.
Don't think Graham and McCallum would have been a factor at MW before the Hearns fight and by then Hagler was picking up one fight a year and topping up his pension fund. Hearns was a fight everyone wanted to see Mugabi was as credible a challenger as Graham and McCallum. Leonard being able to go straight to a title shot after one fight in 5 years is just $$$'s over rankings but that never changes.
Just depends on your view really, if you don't rate Hagler much you will say McCallum is a Light middle and Graham, Shuler and Kinchen were second rate so even if he fought them and won his resume still isn't all that.

[Benncollinsaad]

Whilst the fights that Hagler is remembered for were against guys moving up he pretty much gave a shot to everyone who was a legitimate contender IMO. Not the strongest bunch of MW's in history but you could level similar criticisms against a lot of fighters through the ages.
Nothing I saw of Shuler and Kinchen leads me to believe that they would have given Hagler problems but I wouldn't argue that they deserved a shot over Hamsho getting his
2nd shot.
Don't think Graham and McCallum would have been a factor at MW before the Hearns fight and by then Hagler was picking up one fight a year and topping up his pension fund. Hearns was a fight everyone wanted to see Mugabi was as credible a challenger as Graham and McCallum. Leonard being able to go straight to a title shot after one fight in 5 years is just $$$'s over rankings but that never changes.
Just depends on your view really, if you don't rate Hagler much you will say McCallum is a Light middle and Graham, Shuler and Kinchen were second rate so even if he fought them and won his resume still isn't all that.

Kinchen was a SMW and later LHW wasn't he?

[GJC]

Kinchen was a SMW and later LHW wasn't he?

Generally SMW think he finished up at LHW but without much success.

[Sir_Jose]

Now I just got done posting a response in another thread in regards to Marvin Hagler and I was on way to giving a more in depth response when I thought that it deserved a thread in itself,And that is in regard to Hagler and his legacy

Virtually every fighter is called overrated in this sport but this man,Hagler and his reseme never get questioned despite the fact that he fought in a fairly weak era of middleweights,despite the fact that he gets more credit for beating smaller fighters than any other fighter in history and he has gotten away with more whining and crying than any other fighter in the history of the sport

Hagler for years accused Hearns and Leonard of ducking him despite the fact that the two fought in division below him and unfortunately so many fans buy into this weak accusation,The very same argument could be used as to why Marvin Hagler never moved up to 175 to fight the likes of Michael Spinks and Dwight Muhammad Qawi.

Ray Leonard gets accused of ducking Hagler for five years despite the fact that apart from one dissapointing return showing he was retired due to a legitimate detached retina and regardless of whether you felt Hagler won this fight or not,I would think any unbiased,impartial viewer would have it as a very close fight.Leonard was given the nod and when time came for Hagler to simply give Leonard his credit he never did,He ran off crying like a school girl to Italy and let his **** sucking fans to make excuses for him

Infact he went out of his way to discredit the man now compare this Thomas Hearns class who hid the fact that he roke his right hand so nobody would discredit Haglers victory over him,He didn't have to do that but he did,Leonard an inactive welterweight was ale to e extremely competitive with a man who was predicted to destroy Leonard and yet this is never mentioned as it doesn't it Haglers "destruct and destroy" legacy


Men like Fulgencio Obelmejias and Mustafa Hamsho got second shots at Hagler despite beating both men decisively and yet deserving challengers like James Kinchen,James Shuler and Herol Graham never did

Marvin Hagler fans are welcome to come here and refute what I said because I unlike some do not put those who disagree with me on ignore

Actually Marvin fought in one of the best eras in the history of the middle weight division. Guys like Ray Leonard and Tommy Hearns are the reconizable to the main****** fan, but the hardcore fans know about Willie Monroe, Cyclone Heart, Bennie Briscoe, Boby Watts, he fought everyone of those guys more than once all about as tough as they come. Theres Vito Antefermo(EVERYONE knows marvin won this fight), John Mugabi, Juan Roldan, Mustafa Hamsho, Duran was still tough


Anyone whom says that era was weak does'nt know boxing. Like I said those are the two "Big names" but that was a deep division and he should have been champ alot sooner

[BigMacFoster]

Actually Marvin fought in one of the best eras in the history of the middle weight division. Guys like Ray Leonard and Tommy Hearns are the reconizable to the main****** fan, but the hardcore fans know about Willie Monroe, Cyclone Heart, Bennie Briscoe, Boby Watts, he fought everyone of those guys more than once all about as tough as they come. Theres Vito Antefermo(EVERYONE knows marvin won this fight), John Mugabi, Juan Roldan, Mustafa Hamsho, Duran was still tough


Anyone whom says that era was weak does'nt know boxing. Like I said those are the two "Big names" but that was a deep division and he should have been champ alot sooner

Bob Watts,Eugene Hart and THE WORM are not stand out quality fighters in which ever era you place them,Hart was a crackhead with a punch who lost to any decent fighter he fought

John Mugabi is without question the most overhyped prospect in boxing history and I have never seen a hagler fan deny that Hearns wasnt his greatest victory