If Jerry Quarry was fighting in his prime today...

[Obama]

Do you believe he would be a dominant world champion?

To be a dominant World Heavyweight Champion you have to beat Wlad. Quarry does not beat Wlad. Wlad stops Quarry in similar fashion to what he did to Chagaev, but it will prolly result in cuts. Tho, Quarry, unlike Chagaev, will actually have his moments and might even drop Wlad once.

Wlad is the real deal.

[StarshipTrooper]

Wlad is the real deal.

More like a real pile of feces.

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

For the record, Quarry doesn't get KTFO by Purrity, Sanders, and Brewster either......he doesn't get bounced off the canvas like a basketball by an out-of-shape Peter either.

Poet

[Obama]

For the record, Quarry doesn't get KTFO by Purrity, Sanders, and Brewster either......he doesn't get bounced off the canvas like a basketball by an out-of-shape Peter either.

Poet

Yea Wlad was prime for all those fights right? What about Quarry's career. I'm sure Wlad doesn't draw twice with Tony Alongi and once with Tony Dale.

It is said by many that Quarry was "the greatest Heavyweight to never win the title". I consider it one of the most offensive well known statements in boxing. Quarry CLEARLY was not on the level of a Harry Wills, Sam Langford, Joe Jeannette, Sam McVea, or Peter Jackson, all of which never even got a shot at the title. Ring Magazine even had the good sense to acknowledge that 3 of these 5 guys were better than Quarry. Quarry ultimately had two chances to win the title. His first opportunity at the crown was against a man that lost to 5 Middleweights (Jimmy Ellis). And this was Quarry in his prime. Any time Quarry initially stepped up in class he was exposed. Getting the obvious out of the way, he lost twice to both the great Joe Frazier and Muhammad Ali, getting stopped in all 4 fights. But Quarry had even more telling defeats. Slightly before entering his prime, Quarry took his first real challenge in the ring when he met the washed up Eddie Machen. He was taken to school. He rebounded from that defeat by beating Brian London, a fighter who was just as good as the version of Machen that Quarry met. With his confidence restored, he attempted to step up in class again to fight a post-prime Floyd Patterson. Patterson beat his ass, but was robbed to a draw. For all intensive purposes, Quarry lost. Trying to redeem himself they have a rematch, and Quarry narrowly escapes with a gift decision most think he didn't deserve, but it at least wasn't highway robbery this time around. Quarry would then beat the credible Thad Spencer before stepping up in class yet again as he met a prime Jimmy Ellis. After Ellis became the 3rd man to expose Quarry, he'd immediately go on to get his own gift decision over Patterson similar to what Quarry did. To Ellis' credit, he broke his nose in the first round. After Ellis, the only stepping up in class Quarry did were fights with Frazier and Ali, and I already went over how those turned out.

Nonetheless, Quarry did beat some guys on the same level as Ellis when he beat Ron Lyle and Earnie Shavers. BUT, whenever he took that initial step up, he was exposed. And whenever he met the very best (Ali, Frazier, Norton), he was stopped. And then there was yet another man to stop Quarry. But as usual with Quarry, there was an excuse. In the 7th round against George Chuvalo, Quarry is dropped but rose at the count of 3. Realizing he had no balance, he took a knee. He then rose at the count of 10 instead of 9. And who's fault is this? It's a KO. "He miscalculated". No. He simply wasn't ready to fight until the fight was over. If he had his senses about him he would have tried to rise at 8. Was he winning the fight before he got stopped? Sure. But he got stopped. And that's all there is to it.

[JAB5239]

Yea Wlad was prime for all those fights right? What about Quarry's career. I'm sure Wlad doesn't draw twice with Tony Alongi and once with Tony Dale.

It is said by many that Quarry was "the greatest Heavyweight to never win the title". I consider it one of the most offensive well known statements in boxing. Quarry CLEARLY was not on the level of a Harry Wills, Sam Langford, Joe Jeannette, Sam McVea, or Peter Jackson, all of which never even got a shot at the title. Ring Magazine even had the good sense to acknowledge that 3 of these 5 guys were better than Quarry. Quarry ultimately had two chances to win the title. His first opportunity at the crown was against a man that lost to 5 Middleweights (Jimmy Ellis). And this was Quarry in his prime. Any time Quarry initially stepped up in class he was exposed. Getting the obvious out of the way, he lost twice to both the great Joe Frazier and Muhammad Ali, getting stopped in all 4 fights. But Quarry had even more telling defeats. Slightly before entering his prime, Quarry took his first real challenge in the ring when he met the washed up Eddie Machen. He was taken to school. He rebounded from that defeat by beating Brian London, a fighter who was just as good as the version of Machen that Quarry met. With his confidence restored, he attempted to step up in class again to fight a post-prime Floyd Patterson. Patterson beat his ass, but was robbed to a draw. For all intensive purposes, Quarry lost. Trying to redeem himself they have a rematch, and Quarry narrowly escapes with a gift decision most think he didn't deserve, but it at least wasn't highway robbery this time around. Quarry would then beat the credible Thad Spencer before stepping up in class yet again as he met a prime Jimmy Ellis. After Ellis became the 3rd man to expose Quarry, he'd immediately go on to get his own gift decision over Patterson similar to what Quarry did. To Ellis' credit, he broke his nose in the first round. After Ellis, the only stepping up in class Quarry did were fights with Frazier and Ali, and I already went over how those turned out.

Nonetheless, Quarry did beat some guys on the same level as Ellis when he beat Ron Lyle and Earnie Shavers. BUT, whenever he took that initial step up, he was exposed. And whenever he met the very best (Ali, Frazier, Norton), he was stopped. And then there was yet another man to stop Quarry. But as usual with Quarry, there was an excuse. In the 7th round against George Chuvalo, Quarry is dropped but rose at the count of 3. Realizing he had no balance, he took a knee. He then rose at the count of 10 instead of 9. And who's fault is this? It's a KO. "He miscalculated". No. He simply wasn't ready to fight until the fight was over. If he had his senses about him he would have tried to rise at 8. Was he winning the fight before he got stopped? Sure. But he got stopped. And that's all there is to it.

I gotta say, whether one agrees or disagrees (I agree with much of it) this is a well thought out and articulate post. I'll be interested in hearing the rebuttals.

[sonnyboyx2]

Yea Wlad was prime for all those fights right? What about Quarry's career. I'm sure Wlad doesn't draw twice with Tony Alongi and once with Tony Dale.

It is said by many that Quarry was "the greatest Heavyweight to never win the title". I consider it one of the most offensive well known statements in boxing. Quarry CLEARLY was not on the level of a Harry Wills, Sam Langford, Joe Jeannette, Sam McVea, or Peter Jackson, all of which never even got a shot at the title. Ring Magazine even had the good sense to acknowledge that 3 of these 5 guys were better than Quarry. Quarry ultimately had two chances to win the title. His first opportunity at the crown was against a man that lost to 5 Middleweights (Jimmy Ellis). And this was Quarry in his prime. Any time Quarry initially stepped up in class he was exposed. Getting the obvious out of the way, he lost twice to both the great Joe Frazier and Muhammad Ali, getting stopped in all 4 fights. But Quarry had even more telling defeats. Slightly before entering his prime, Quarry took his first real challenge in the ring when he met the washed up Eddie Machen. He was taken to school. He rebounded from that defeat by beating Brian London, a fighter who was just as good as the version of Machen that Quarry met. With his confidence restored, he attempted to step up in class again to fight a post-prime Floyd Patterson. Patterson beat his ass, but was robbed to a draw. For all intensive purposes, Quarry lost. Trying to redeem himself they have a rematch, and Quarry narrowly escapes with a gift decision most think he didn't deserve, but it at least wasn't highway robbery this time around. Quarry would then beat the credible Thad Spencer before stepping up in class yet again as he met a prime Jimmy Ellis. After Ellis became the 3rd man to expose Quarry, he'd immediately go on to get his own gift decision over Patterson similar to what Quarry did. To Ellis' credit, he broke his nose in the first round. After Ellis, the only stepping up in class Quarry did were fights with Frazier and Ali, and I already went over how those turned out.

Nonetheless, Quarry did beat some guys on the same level as Ellis when he beat Ron Lyle and Earnie Shavers. BUT, whenever he took that initial step up, he was exposed. And whenever he met the very best (Ali, Frazier, Norton), he was stopped. And then there was yet another man to stop Quarry. But as usual with Quarry, there was an excuse. In the 7th round against George Chuvalo, Quarry is dropped but rose at the count of 3. Realizing he had no balance, he took a knee. He then rose at the count of 10 instead of 9. And who's fault is this? It's a KO. "He miscalculated". No. He simply wasn't ready to fight until the fight was over. If he had his senses about him he would have tried to rise at 8. Was he winning the fight before he got stopped? Sure. But he got stopped. And that's all there is to it.

what a load of `RUBBISH` YOU HAVE TRIED YOUR BEST TO BELITTLE THE ACHIEVEMENTS OF jERRY QUARRY AND ARE COMPLETELY WRONG ON EVERY SINGLE ASPECT OF HIS CAREER.. Quarry fought to a draw with awkward Tony Alongi who was a very good fighter and was managed by Rocky Marciano, both Quarry and Alongi was still in the novice stage of their pro careers, Quarry was then beaten by top contender Eddie Machen the same Machen who had given Sonny Liston and Joe Frazier a run for their money and who lost a close decision to Ernie Terrell for the heavyweight title, Quarry beat Brian London who was British, Commonwealth & European champion and who had just lost a close decision to Henry Cooper, Brian
London was a rugged tough fighter and a hard fight for anyone, Quarry beat Floyd Patterson it was no `GIFT` decision like you try to make out, i have the fight and have viewed it 10s of times, Quarry won decking Patterson twice and beating him repeatedly to the punch, Quarry was favourite to beat the very talented Jimmy Ellis in the final of the WBA Heavyweight tournement and against doctors advice Quarry went ahead with this fight even though he had a `broken bone in his back`- it was Quarry`s worse ever career performance and was due to the broken back..Quarry beat Thad Spencer, he beat undefeated super-heavyweights Mac Foster who had a record of 24-0(24) KOs, Quarry handed undefeated Ron Lyle his 1st pro defeat, Lyle was billed as the `Next Sonny Liston`, Quarry beat Earnie Shavers in the opening round, he fought a Ring Mag Fight of the year with Joe Frazier, as for the Chuvalo fight it is well documented that Quarry miscalulated the count as he could not hear the referee due to the crowd noise, but i suppose you was there and know better..Quarry then gave a boxing exhibition in chopping down the huge Buster Mathis who had a record of 29-1.as for Quarry losing to Ken Norton well Quarry was at the tail-end of his career when he took the Norton fight and was not the same fighter he was a decade earlier, But after Quarry hammered Shavers he KOd Joe Alexander in a `Classic` at Madison square Gadren, Alexander had just KOd Garcia who had knocked out Ken Norton... Jerry Quarry was voted the most popular fighter in the world in 1967, 68 69, he was an actionpacked-value-for-money fighter, who could beat the best fighters in the division, he is the only man to fight Frazier and Ali twice.. he was a CLASS ACT and it is quite obvious that you have never ever seen any of Jerry Quarry`s fights

[Piggu]

Quarry was a good fighter but his legacy tends to get over romanticized.

My thoughts exactly.

[sonnyboyx2]

My thoughts exactly.

you have obviously never seen many Jerry Quarry fights

[Piggu]

you have obviously never seen many Jerry Quarry fights

Sure that must be it. It can't be that our opinions differ.....................

[JAB5239]

Sure that must be it. It can't be that our opinions differ.....................

Lol, funny stuff Piggu. Love the sarcasm.