Who's prime is more overrated ?

[Poet682006]

He was a lucky guy having access to Jim Jacobs collection

No ****. I'd love to get my hands on THAT

Poet

[Poet682006]

I do believe this thread was supposed to debate why one fighter is more over rated than the other. Yet all anyone can talk about is Tyson, RJJ is nearly completely forgotten. Just goes to show who made the bigger impression in history. Let's break down Jones best wins:

James Toney (Killed himself to make weight, given doctor's advice not to take the fight)
Antonio Tarver (Beat Jones ass in all 3 fights, but lost a questionable decision in the first go)
Montell Griffin (Was giving Jones all sorts of problems in the first fight, causing Jones to get frustrated and earn himself a DQ)
Bernard Hopkins (Was only 1/3rd the fighter he would later become)
Virgill Hill (Past his prime, and already lost his crown to Darius M, one of the many top fighters Roy never fought)

Now I'll just list some hall of famers Roy beat that didn't mean much:

Pazmanian Devil @ 168 (Over the hill blown up lightweight)
The Bodysnatcher @ 175 (Over the hill blown up junior middleweight)

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Roy never gave Hopkins or Toney a rematch, Roy never fought Steve Collins, Dariusz M, Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank, G-Man, Frankie Liles, Patrizio, and waited till Reggie Johnson and Mike McCallum were over the hill till he fought them. Toney on the other hand fought both in their prime.

Now say what you want about Tyson's performance against his best opponents, but you just don't run into the same kind of cherry picking Roy did. Not to mention:

Tyson's performance against Lewis is as meaningful as Roy's against Calzaghe
Tyson's performance against Holyfield is as meaningful as Roy's against Tarver and Johnson.

Also, despite my efforts to bring this thread back to Jones vs Tyson in my last post, seems like it's just not meant to be. Tysons lovers and haters are simply too vocal.

As are Jones haters

Poet

[Dynamite Kid]

You know, this is the sort of thing I LIKE about Tyson: More than any other contempory fighter I can think of Mike was a top-notch insightful, analyst of fights. The kind of respect, appreciation, and admiration Tyson has traditionally had for prior greats is something that is lacking in so many of today's fighters.....and fans. I've said it before and I'll say it again: There is NO fighter I'd rather sit down over a cup of coffee and breakdown old fight films with.

Poet

Yeah i like that to.


When ever there is a good fight on you can pretty much guarantee Mike is going to be there because he is a Boxing fan.

I remember him being at ringside for Hearns vs Hill and a few Chavez fights, although im not sure if he fought on the same night, so........

It really annoys me when i hear fighters say they are not Boxing fans, i dont like that at all.

[ironalex]

The problem you have though is.............i dont care what you say about Norris, where as you get all bent out of shape because you are not just a Tyson fan, but a Tyson fanboy.

Holyfield whooped your boy when they both had the same amount left in the tank because he was overrated.............the truth!!

He is not a top 10 ATG because you have to BEAT great fighters IN the ring to prove yourself not get yourself in there because your fanboys!! say you could of beat this guy that guy.

Tyson's best win is a blown up LHW who took advantage of an aged champion (Larry Holmes)........fact!!!

By the way he should of lost the second fight to Holmes to.

because i think tyson is a great fighter i get hailed as a fan boy?...Roberto Duran is my hero not Tyson. You are a fool with no boxing knowledge whatsoever, you just d!ckride your oap friend poet all day long.

[ironalex]

No ****. I'd love to get my hands on THAT

Poet

awww did Tyson sign an autograph for you?...you happy now?

[Dynamite Kid]

because i think tyson is a great fighter i get hailed as a fan boy?...Roberto Duran is my hero not Tyson. You are a fool with no boxing knowledge whatsoever, you just d!ckride your oap friend poet all day long.

Your a fan boy because you have to resort to calling people names and trying desperately to exact some revenge because you are butt hurt that your hero is not as good as you think he is..............and facts support that!! where as facts dont support your silly theory's.


Son seriously i know more about Boxing than you will ever know..........period!!!

[TheGreatA]

[ironalex]

Your a fan boy because you have to resort to calling people names and trying desperately to exact some revenge because you are butt hurt that your hero is not as good as you think he is..............and facts support that!! where as facts dont support your silly theory's.


Son seriously i know more about Boxing than you will ever know..........period!!!

really? think what you want to think, you probably think you kno more because of the age difference, but i have been surrounded by this sport from a young age, and doing this sport from a young age, you are a typical armchair fight fan who uses age as his passage to boxing knowledge. Im not going to start all this i kno more than you bs, but if there was a boxing quiz or w.e id ace it and you wont. All you do is cosign what poet says. I disagree with what poet says, but he knows what hes on about as far as boxing knowledge is concerned.

[Poet682006]

because i think tyson is a great fighter i get hailed as a fan boy?...Roberto Duran is my hero not Tyson. You are a fool with no boxing knowledge whatsoever, you just d!ckride your oap friend poet all day long.

Actually, Junior, you're a little boy who knows **** all and is too dumb to figure out how little he knows.....now run home to Mommy and get your diapers changed

PS. You're unworthy of being an El Cholo fan. You need a hero who's more appropriate: Maybe that ****** Hector Camacho would be a better fit for you

Poet

[Poet682006]

really? think what you want to think, you probably think you kno more because of the age difference, but i have been surrounded by this sport from a young age, and doing this sport from a young age, you are a typical armchair fight fan who uses age as his passage to boxing knowledge.

Ah yes! The argument resorted to by **********s everywhere. Trying the substitute the mindless exertion muscle for for using a brain they clearly do not have. Cavemen like you will forever be performing manual labor for your intellectual betters.....you know them better as "Boss", as in "Yes Boss!", "Can I have my paycheck Boss?", "Can I kiss your ass for a raise Boss?".....chances that person you address as "Boss" is someone like myself you works with his brain not mere muscle.

Poet