Who's prime is more overrated ?

[Poet682006]

I think its best because i dont have the energy to go through another!! Tyson debate.

I wont put you on ignore though.

Got to love Tyson's demented fan-bois, especially the ****** ones like Boogie Nights

Poet

[ironalex]

His head movement never impressed me any more than say Joe Frazier's did and Mike was NEVER a consistant body-puncher like Frazier was. As for his power and hand speed it wasn't anything that Louis didn't have.



Then you need to see more Heavyweight fighters.

Poet

hahahaha you serious?! check out a prime tyson, the man hardly got hit! joe frazier on the other hand, in the words of ali..."got angry when you missed him"...so how did they have comparable headmovement? tyson actually moved his head to get out of the way, yet frazier just moved his head up and down in a rhythmitic fashion which could easily be timed for the uppercut...

Im a big fan of Joe louis, but no way did he have the same speed as Tyson, maybe punching power, but defintly not speed.

"Alex."

[Obama]

as far as his competiton goes, they guy is a top 10 all time great heavyweight. for any average guy who sits behind the TV screen with their belly full of beer and has never taken a slap to their face, it's easy for them to call another guy a bum.

I agree, the man has a great Heavyweight resume. Better than Frazier's, better than Marciano's, better than Liston's, etc.

Mike Tyson

Notable Wins:

Jesse Ferguson

Marvis Frazier

Jose Ribalta

Alonzo Ratliff

Trevor Berbick

James 'Bonecrusher' Smith

Pinklon Thomas

Tony Tucker

Tyrell Biggs

Larry Holmes

Tony Tubbs

Michael Spinks

Frank Bruno (x2)

Carl 'The Truth' Williams

Alex Stewart

Donovan 'Razor' Ruddock (x2)

Buster Mathis Jr.

Bruce Seldon

Francois Botha

Lou Savarese

Brian Nielsen

Clifford Etienne

Notable NCs:

Orlin Norris

Andrew Golota

Notable Losses:

James 'Buster' Douglas [TKO 10]

Evander Holyfield (x2) [TKO 11] [DQ 3]

Questionable Losses:

Buster Douglas (Long 10 count)

Elite wins:

None

Semi-Elite wins:

Tony Tucker, Larry Holmes, Michael Spinks, Frank Bruno (x2), Donovan 'Razor' Ruddock (x2)

Good wins:

Marvis Frazier, Trevor Berbick, James 'Bonecrusher' Smith, Pinklon Thomas, Tony Tubbs, Carl Williams, Alex Stewart, Bruce Seldon, Brian Nielsen, Andrew Golota

OK wins:

Jesse Ferguson, Jose Ribalta, Alonzo Ratliff, Tyrell Biggs, Buster Mathis Jr., Francois Botha, Lou Savarese, Clifford Etienne (half credit), Orlin Norris (half credit)

[Dynamite Kid]

hahahaha you serious?! check out a prime tyson, the man hardly got hit! joe frazier on the other hand, in the words of ali..."got angry when you missed him"...so how did they have comparable headmovement? tyson actually moved his head to get out of the way, yet frazier just moved his head up and down in a rhythmitic fashion which could easily be timed for the uppercut...

Im a big fan of Joe louis, but no way did he have the same speed as Tyson, maybe punching power, but defintly not speed.

"Alex."

Joe got him more because he put more pressure on. Joe Frazier was a pressure fighter.

[Poet682006]

hahahaha you serious?! check out a prime tyson, the man hardly got hit! joe frazier on the other hand, in the words of ali..."got angry when you missed him"...so how did they have comparable headmovement? tyson actually moved his head to get out of the way, yet frazier just moved his head up and down in a rhythmitic fashion which could easily be timed for the uppercut...

He hardly ever got hit because his frightend opponents were to busy running in reverse to punch with any conviction. Against a steady steam of journeymen I would imagine even YOUR head movement would look good. Look what happend when fighters actually stood their ground and fired at him: Tucker lands a monster uppercut, Bruno wobbles him, Douglas kicked the **** out of him, and Ruddock landed plenty of bombs.

Im a big fan of Joe louis, but no way did he have the same speed as Tyson, maybe punching power, but defintly not speed.

"Alex."

If you don't think Louis had fast hands than you obviously ARE on crack.

Poet

[Spartacus Sully]

ok so tyson won the heavy weight title and defended it 11 times or so lost it then he gets it again defends it twice and loses it....

roy jones gets super middle weight/middle weight defending 13 times moves up to leight heavy loses it then wins it and defends it 15 times......


id say the fact that theirs people out their willing to argue this just shows how overly rated the general populus's take on tyson is

[Poet682006]

I agree, the man has a great Heavyweight resume. Better than Frazier's, better than Marciano's, better than Liston's, etc.

Liston's two wins over Cleveland Williams are superior to Tyson's entire resume combined. You spew as much crap as your Marxist namesake.

Poet

[ironalex]

Joe got him more because he put more pressure on. Joe Frazier was a pressure fighter.

Well firstly i clearly didn't mention the comparison between Tyson and Frazier pressure wise, maybe if you learn how to read, one day you can realise i was comparing their headmovement. As far as pressure goes, i think Tyson puts just as much pressure on people as Frazier did....just in an educated hit and not get hit manner....joe frazier-"bob up, bob down, bob up, bob down, with that cross armed defence, and throw a massive wild left hook(which was one of the best left hooks in the business i grant you, but this is 80% of what he did)

[Poet682006]

Well firstly i clearly didn't mention the comparison between Tyson and Frazier pressure wise, maybe if you learn how to read, one day you can realise i was comparing their headmovement. As far as pressure goes, i think Tyson puts just as much pressure on people as Frazier did....just in an educated hit and not get hit manner....joe frazier-"bob up, bob down, bob up, bob down, with that cross armed defence, and throw a massive wild left hook(which was one of the best left hooks in the business i grant you, but this is 80% of what he did)

Ah yes, another teenager who thinks he knows everything but doesn't know **** all. Come back and talk to me when you get your GED.....assuming, of course, you're even capable THAT.

Poet

[Spartacus Sully]

-"bob up, bob down, bob up, bob down, with that cross armed defence, and throw a massive wild left hook(which was one of the best left hooks in the business i grant you, but this is 80% of what he did)

tyson or fraizer? didnt they both do that? whats your point?