Poll: Who's The Greatest Welterweight..?

[StarshipTrooper]

Well it's pretty easy to do that with most resume's. But I see, you have Luis Ramon Campas as a journymen. You do realize Campas was 56-0 heading into the fight with Trinidad. And had some pretty solid wins over some vetrans and unbeaten fighters. And after the Trinidad fight he would go on to win a world title. That is no journyman

And I also see who have Oba Carr as ''who''. Going onto the fight Carr was 32-0 and after being stoped by Trinidad would go on to give a prime Ike Quartey one of his toughest fights taking him to a MD. He would also get wins over 27-0 Derrell Coley, Frankie Randall, and Luis Ramon Campas.

I also felt you overlooked his Hector Camacho win to. Going into the fight Hector had only been defeated twiced by Julio Cesar Chavez and a strange SD loss to Greg Haugen, which he avenged. Going into the Tito fight he held wins over Rafael Limon, Jose Luis Ramirez, Edwin Rosario, Howard Davis Jr, Ray Mancini, Vinny Pazienza. In the fight Trinidad showed clever pressure out pointing Hector in only his 23 fight. This win shound't be overlooked.

As for his wins over contenders like Roger Turner, Larry Barnes, Rodney Moore, Troy Waters etc etc. This can't be held against Trinidad, you will find most dominant champions have to defend there title against medicore contenders.

And although I feel he didnt win the De La Hoya fight. Trinidad resume I feel is pretty damn good and should be remebered up there as one of the strongest. Do I don't know about having him number #2 on a 147 list.

Campas was a one-dimensional fighter who turned into a punching bag everytime he stepped up in class. I happen to be fond of Yori Boy but I have no illusions over how good he really was. I was fond of Arturo Gatti too but I'd never classify him as a legitimate threat the real world class fighters.

Poet

[Southpaw16BF]

Campas was a one-dimensional fighter who turned into a punching bag everytime he stepped up in class. I happen to be fond of Yori Boy but I have no illusions over how good he really was. I was fond of Arturo Gatti too but I'd never classify him as a legitimate threat the real world class fighters.

Poet

Well no one claimed Campas was world class. But you claimed he was jouryman when heading into the Trinidad fight, which was a bogus comment. And I feel you made him out to be a worse than he actually was. As he did have some pretty good wins and was a title holder.

[StarshipTrooper]

Well no one claimed Campas was world class. But you claimed he was jouryman when heading into the Trinidad fight, which was a bogus comment. And I feel you made him out to be a worse than he actually was. As he did have some pretty good wins and was a title holder.

Don't get me wrong, I like the guy and enjoyed watching his fights but I've never seen him as anything other than someone who should have been headlining an ESPN card as opposed to fighting top opponents.

Poet

[TredKiller]

SRR,

with armstrong a close second.

[ironalex]

I know its cliche, but Sugar Ray Robinson was the best.

[Obama]

Not sure Robinson was any better than Walcott. Robinson was successful From Lightweight to Middleweight, Walcott was successful from Welterweight to Light Heavyweight. Difference is, Robinson put on weight, Walcott didn't.

[GJC]

Trinidad's resume as Welterweight champ:

Oscar De La Hoya - Already covered
Hugo Pineda - Journeyman
Pernell Whitaker - Washed up and in and out of rehab
Mahenge Zulu - Who?
Troy Waters - Journeyman
Kevin Lueshing - Who?
Ray Lovato - Who?
Freddie Pendleton - Decent opponant
Rodney Moore - Who?
Larry Barnes - Who?
Roger Turner - Who?
Oba Carr - Who?
Luis Ramon Campas - Journeyman
Hector Camacho - The nutless wonder himself
Anthony Stephens - Who?
Luis Gabriel Garcia - Who?
Maurice Blocker - C class fighter already exposed by Simon Brown

Bit harsh I think Poet. I agree he got a gift against DLH, Hopkins was at middle and as well as being a weight to far for Tito many would argue that Hopkins would do that to pretty much any MW.

[GJC]

ATGs

01. Ray Robinson
02. Sam Langford
03. Henry Armstrong
04. Ray Leonard
05. Kid Gavilan
06. Jose Napoles
07. Barney Ross
08. Jimmy McLarnin
09. Thomas Hearns
10. Oscar De La Hoya
11. Emile Griffith
12. Feliz Trinidad
13. Tommy Ryan
14. Luis Rodriguez
15. Duilio Loi
16. Antonio Cervantes
17. Shane Mosley
18. Wilfred Benitez
19. Carmen Basilio
20. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
21. Aaron Pryor

Its a good list, Whitaker at LW I assume? Must say I can't get my head around having Langford as a welter (and yes I know he did!), I would have put him in the MW's personally but thats a choice thing.
Hmmm ignoring Langford I like Armstrong at 2 after that its toss a coin between Leonard, Gavilan and Napoles. 6 to 12 is a bit of a coin toss too lol. Kind of think Tito might have fought his way through to 6, yes above DLH (I know I know!!)

[StarshipTrooper]

Its a good list, Whitaker at LW I assume? Must say I can't get my head around having Langford as a welter (and yes I know he did!), I would have put him in the MW's personally but thats a choice thing.
Hmmm ignoring Langford I like Armstrong at 2 after that its toss a coin between Leonard, Gavilan and Napoles. 6 to 12 is a bit of a coin toss too lol. Kind of think Tito might have fought his way through to 6, yes above DLH (I know I know!!)

Yeah, I got Whitaker rated at Lightweight (number 3 in fact). Langford was a natural Welter who sometimes fought as low as Lightweight and, obviously, as high as Heavyweight. With that kind of spread it just made sense to me to put him at his natural weight.....especially since he never really put together any kind of string at a particular weight class, just bounced around a lot.

Poet

[GJC]

Yeah, I got Whitaker rated at Lightweight (number 3 in fact). Langford was a natural Welter who sometimes fought as low as Lightweight and, obviously, as high as Heavyweight. With that kind of spread it just made sense to me to put him at his natural weight.....especially since he never really put together any kind of string at a particular weight class, just bounced around a lot.

Poet

He was some fighter to even be competetive at HW.
I think his best chance is at MW purely on the 6 round Ketchell fight though I guess you could equally put a case for him at lightweight if you take the Gans fight into account!
Must say though if you go welter why no Walcott as the draw was as notable a fight as Langford had at that weight?
You'll note that whilst I'm too lazy to work out my own list I will happily pick holes in yours