Jack Johnson vs Joe Louis

[Obama]

Ah, thanks.

[Kid McCoy]

You realize Johnson was already convicted of a federal crime at that point right? Note where the fight took place at. Also note how there was no attempt to keep Johnson from fleeing the country...

And the ONLY reason he was convicted of violating the Mann Act was because no one wanted him as Champion anymore. If it wasn't BS we wouldn't be trying to vindicate the man today:

Johnson was convicted of violating the Mann Act because he did violate it. What with pimping whores out of his Chicago restaurant, providing his ex-wife (and **********) with the money to set up her own brothel and transporting whores across state lines, I'd say he was up to his neck in it.

There's a lot of revisionism surrounding Johnson these days by well-meaning but imo misguided people. He was a remarkable character for sure, but there's a lot more to the story than him being a simple victim and he actually did very little to further the cause of African Americans.

There were far worse abuses of the Mann Act than in Johnson's case (in fact a wide variety of people fell foul of it - among them Luis Firpo, Frank Lloyd Wright, Charlie Chaplin and Chuck Berry) and I don't recall any similar campaigns for them to be pardoned.

[GJC]

There's a lot of revisionism surrounding Johnson these days by well-meaning but imo misguided people. He was a remarkable character for sure, but there's a lot more to the story than him being a simple victim and he actually did very little to further the cause of African Americans.

Think it started with the 1967 play the Great White Hope. Very much a play for its time and touching on race during the civil rights era struck a cord with many. Whilst his story does give a good skeleton to such a story it is a shame that they didn't have a more sympathetic character than Johnson as a hero. Think the only cause that Johnson really cared about was Jack Johnson. Some fighter though I believe that he was 30 years ahead of his time.

[boxingbuff]

No he didn't. Louis was bigger than Johnson whose prime weight was around 190 lbs, although he was comfortable at 205 when he was over 30 years of age.

Louis generally weighed around 200-205 lbs and at his peak 208 lbs. 30+ year old Louis liked to fight at 210-215.

I just did a little research on Johnson.......

He only lost 2 fights out of about his 1st hundred fights,and both losses were early in his career.

Seems he weighed 205lbs when he fought Stanley Ketchel.

Just read out of a book that talks about EVERY heavyweight champion,and everything about each fighter.Said Johnson was still very good at 220lbs.

Me thinks niether Louis or Johnson would have much of a weight advantage?

Correct me if I'm wrong.....Thank You

[TheGreatA]

I just did a little research on Johnson.......

He only lost 2 fights out of about his 1st hundred fights,and both losses were early in his career.

Seems he weighed 205lbs when he fought Stanley Ketchel.

Just read out of a book that talks about EVERY heavyweight champion,and everything about each fighter.Said Johnson was still very good at 220lbs.

Me thinks niether Louis or Johnson would have much of a weight advantage?

Correct me if I'm wrong.....Thank You

Louis would have a weight advantage prime for prime.

This is Jack Johnson in his prime (in my opinion), he weighed 192 lbs:



Johnson was certainly very good even at 200+ lbs but I'm not sure if he was in his prime anymore at 32-33 years of age.

[boxingbuff]

Louis would have a weight advantage prime for prime.

This is Jack Johnson in his prime (in my opinion), he weighed 192 lbs:



Johnson was certainly very good even at 200+ lbs but I'm not sure if he was in his prime anymore at 32-33 years of age.

Who would you pick prime vs prime?

Also,who would you pick when Johnson weighed 205 like against Ketchel?

Would it go the distance?

Thank You