Jack Johnson vs Joe Louis

[boxingbuff]

also it would be cool if you defended your opinion better.

i mean how is some one that took 15 rounds to take down a 6 years past prime jeffries gonna take out a prime louis?

Johnson carried jeffries.

We need to remember that Johnson had 12 lbs on Louis,and was stronger.

Johson is the greatest defensive fighter of all-time,and would not give Louis many openings.Johnson would also tie-up Louis easily.

Johnson would win a 15 or 20 round UD-10-5 or 14-6

[TheGreatA]

Johnson carried jeffries.

We need to remember that Johnson had 12 lbs on Louis,and was stronger.

Johson is the greatest defensive fighter of all-time,and would not give Louis many openings.Johnson would also tie-up Louis easily.

Johnson would win a 15 or 20 round UD-10-5 or 14-6

No he didn't. Louis was bigger than Johnson whose prime weight was around 190 lbs, although he was comfortable at 205 when he was over 30 years of age.

Louis generally weighed around 200-205 lbs and at his peak 208 lbs. 30+ year old Louis liked to fight at 210-215.

[boxingbuff]

No he didn't. Louis was bigger than Johnson whose prime weight was around 190 lbs, although he was comfortable at 205 when he was over 30 years of age.

Louis generally weighed around 200-205 lbs and at his peak 208 lbs. 30+ year old Louis liked to fight at 210-215.

I just read where Johnson weighed in at 220lbs when he got older,and 210lbs in his prime.Louis weighed 198 lbs against Conn,When in his prime.

Regaurdless,Johnson's amazing defensive skills and ability to tie up Louis,makes it a long night for Joe.Lois would have to KO Johnson to win,and I don't see that happening.

[TheGreatA]

I just read where Johnson weighed in at 220lbs when he got older,and 210lbs in his prime.Louis weighed 198 lbs against Conn,When in his prime.

Regaurdless,Johnson's amazing defensive skills and ability to tie up Louis,makes it a long night for Joe.Lois would have to KO Johnson to win,and I don't see that happening.

I don't think Johnson was 210 lbs in his prime. People forget it but he was well over 30 years old himself when he fought Jeffries/Flynn.

He was 30 years old when he fought Tommy Burns for the title, and weighed 192 lbs. Much earlier on he used to fight at around 168 lbs.

Louis said he was weight-drained for the Conn fight. A year later he weighed 207 and 208 lbs against Buddy Baer and Abe Simon, two of his best performances.

[boxingbuff]

I don't think Johnson was 210 lbs in his prime. People forget it but he was well over 30 years old himself when he fought Jeffries/Flynn.

He was 30 years old when he fought Tommy Burns for the title, and weighed 192 lbs. Much earlier on he used to fight at around 168 lbs.

Louis said he was weight-drained for the Conn fight. A year later he weighed 207 and 208 lbs against Buddy Baer and Abe Simon, two of his best performances.

I will take your word for it over the book I read about ALL the Heavyweight Champions.That's how much credibility I put in you as a poster.

Was a 30 year old Johnson still in his prime in your opinion?

Thank You

[GJC]

Don't mind Poet. He's the resident Louis nuthugging arseclown.

Johnson knew Louis' weakness better than anyone else, wanted to beat him more than anyone else and he was a very bad styles matchup for bumbeater. Slick, great defense, inside fighting, strong clinching, power to crack that china chin. Really this is one of the most clear outcomes.

Yet the Joseph nuthugging idiots actually claim he would destroy Johnson with ease

Slimey there is another thread Louis v Jimmy Young, I for one await your take on that with baited breath.

[TheGreatA]

I will take your word for it over the book I read about ALL the Heavyweight Champions.That's how much credibility I put in you as a poster.

Was a 30 year old Johnson still in his prime in your opinion?

Thank You

On film he looks probably his best against Tommy Burns. It's my opinion however that he may have seen some of his best days before winning the title.

[Obama]

Louis said he was weight-drained for the Conn fight.

How is a Heavyweight weight drained? Was the fight at a catch weight or something?

[TheGreatA]

How is a Heavyweight weight drained? Was the fight at a catch weight or something?

From the book Billy Conn: The Pittsburgh Kid:

"Louis, quite concerned with Conn's speed, insisted at coming in at around 200, a few pounds less than his normal fighting weight. His handlers disagreed with him, feeling that the weight loss might drain him after six fights in six months. Joe got his way, and got down to an even 200 by fight day."

http://books.google.fi/books?id=B6bqsG1kQUkC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_navlinks_s#v=onepage&q=&f=false

"In his autobiography Louis stated that in order to stave off such talk he made the mistake of dehydrating himself prior to the fight so that could weigh in at less than 200 pounds. “I always use to lay off the day before a fight. But the last day I trained, dieted and drank as little water as possible. Chappie (his trainer Jack Blackburn) was mad as hell.” Joe’s sense of fairness left him critically drained as the fight progressed."

http://coxscorner.tripod.com/louis_conn.html

[boxingbuff]

From the book Billy Conn: The Pittsburgh Kid:

"Louis, quite concerned with Conn's speed, insisted at coming in at around 200, a few pounds less than his normal fighting weight. His handlers disagreed with him, feeling that the weight loss might drain him after six fights in six months. Joe got his way, and got down to an even 200 by fight day."

http://books.google.fi/books?id=B6bqsG1kQUkC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_navlinks_s#v=onepage&q=&f=false

"In his autobiography Louis stated that in order to stave off such talk he made the mistake of dehydrating himself prior to the fight so that could weigh in at less than 200 pounds. “I always use to lay off the day before a fight. But the last day I trained, dieted and drank as little water as possible. Chappie (his trainer Jack Blackburn) was mad as hell.” Joe’s sense of fairness left him critically drained as the fight progressed."

http://coxscorner.tripod.com/louis_conn.html

In Joe Louis's book he said Conn was like a damn nat,lol

Off topic but I think it was funny