Joe Louis vs Gene Tunney

[boxingbuff]

While I agree Dempsey was past prime, the point, which seems to have elluded you, is that Tunney was a LIGHT-HEAVYWEIGHT.

It cracks me up how you try and change the issue when you don't like the direction the debate is going.

BTW, the rule is a fighter is knocked out when the REFEREE'S count reaches 10.....NOT when a time-keeper or some smuck watching on TV sees 10 seconds expire.

Poet

Boyyyyy,slow down.Can't you joke around or have any fun?.Of course Dempsey didn't KO Tunney.But you know what I'm saying....A prime Dempsey KO's Tunney.

Yes,I know Tunney was a LH.So was Billy Conn. If you read my posts you will read where I believe Tunney is the greatest LH of all-time.Ezzard Charles 2nd.

Lighten up or your going to have a stroke dude,lol

[TheGreatA]

Yes,I saw the Dempsey-Sharkey fight many times.He was being dominated! He also looked like a schell of the Prime Jack Dempsey.

BTW-I have seen every fight I can get my hands on.All the way back into the 1800's.

And I love Max Bear! I'm not going to argue against him. And yes,he would not train hard for Firpo.I still insist he had one of the hardest right hands in the HISTORY of boxing.

Dempsey had definitely lost some of the fire he had during his days as a homeless man roaming around the streets. He wasn't exactly an old man though (at 30 years of age) but he simply didn't have the same determination.

I don't think Dempsey ever did particularly well against clever boxers however, Tommy Gibbons, Billy Miske (in his prime) and Willie Meehan gave him a plenty of trouble.

Ohhhh,I forgot.I would love to see Jim Jefferies and Jack Johnson fight Joe Louis and Muhammad Ali too.I know there from another era,but it just popped in my mind.I have film on all of the old-time fighters.

Here's some footage of Gene Tunney and Jim Corbett exchanging punches:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=281109

Johnson never had much respect for Louis. He was 100% certain that Schmeling would beat him in their first fight and actually gave some advice to Schmeling on how to do it.

[Southpaw16BF]

Dempsey had definitely lost some of the fire he had during his days as a homeless man roaming around the streets. He wasn't exactly an old man though (at 30 years of age) but he simply didn't have the same determination.

I don't think Dempsey ever did particularly well against clever boxers however, Tommy Gibbons, Billy Miske (in his prime) and Willie Meehan gave him a plenty of trouble.



Here's some footage of Gene Tunney and Jim Corbett exchanging punches:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=281109

Johnson never had much respect for Louis. He was 100% certain that Schmeling would beat him in their first fight and actually gave some advice to Schmeling on how to do it.

When Louis was coming up through the ranks Johnson was always high of praise of him as a fighter. And always very impressed with him. But when he wanted to train Louis, and was rejected this frustrated him as he thought he could take Louis to the next step and he saw just how big Louis was going to be and wanted to be a part of it.

But Louis chose to stay with Johnson's rival Jackie Blackburn. Johnson did indeed give Schmeling advice on how to defeat Louis, and he cound't of been more pleased when Louis was defeated. He had bet heavily on Schmeling to win, when Johnson was seen boasting about this, a angry bunch of black fans would attack him and police were called.

At the beggining Louis liked Johnson, but after being bad mouthed by Johnson, Louis turned and held a strong dislike for Johnson.

Johnson would do everything in his power to get Louis beat. He wanted to help train Jim Braddock for Joe Louis, do Braddock didn't hire him. He helped train 6''5 Abe Simon who Louis would KO. And he later took the vetran Jersey Joe Walcott aside to volunter his services if and when Louis give him a chance

''Johnson's background was savary remembered Walcott, ''I knew whatever fame I may win would be in his shawdow, i did not want to march arm in arm to succes with him. He turned Johnson down.

[Spartacus Sully]

ahhhhh prime louis? vrs any time in tunneys carrer louis will win ko first round tunney had dempsey on ring size thats all it was just ring size 20 ft was normal to louis unlike the 16 or less of dempseys day.

[Miburo]

Louis would have stopped him honestly. Tunney was mobile but Louis would manage to catch him like Dempsey at some point, and wouldn't let him off the hook.