Joe Louis vs Gene Tunney

[TheGreatA]

OMG....While Ali easily beats Big Bad Sonny Liston your naming fighters ranked in the top 40,the top 30,the top 20.

Which one you want Jack Dempsey to fight? A top 20,30,40 fighter would get starched quick by a Prime Dempsey.Tunney would win every round against the fighters you listed! PLEASE,you can do better than that?

Well, Sharkey was on his way to outpointing Dempsey until being hit by low blows. He simply didn't have the same mentality that Tunney did, otherwise he was as talented a boxer as anybody.

Schmeling had a granite chin and always managed to land the powerful counter right hand on his opponents.

Baer was certainly better than Firpo, more powerful, durable and just as strong.

[TheGreatA]

Unfortunately Dempsey and Tunney didn't hang around until their 30's so Louis never got to fight them.

[redxl7]

Wow this an interesting one. Tunney could probably outbox Joe in the early rounds, but I don't see him making it 15 without getting tagged and brought down. Louis by KO in the late rounds.

[boxingbuff]

Well, Sharkey was on his way to outpointing Dempsey until being hit by low blows. He simply didn't have the same mentality that Tunney did, otherwise he was as talented a boxer as anybody.

Schmeling had a granite chin and always managed to land the powerful counter right hand on his opponents.

Baer was certainly better than Firpo, more powerful, durable and just as strong.

Dempsey was no where near a Prime Dempsey against Sharkey.That was between the Tunney fights.

If Baer "tranined" for Firpo you have a case.

[StarshipTrooper]

OMG....While Ali easily beats Big Bad Sonny Liston your naming fighters ranked in the top 40,the top 30,the top 20.

The question wasn't who Ali fought it was the quality of 1920s Heavyweights viz-a-viz 1930s Heavyweights. Please stay on topic.

I was just reading about all the great BLACK boxers that Dempsey didn't fight.

I believe the 20's had alot of very good Heavyweights.

The Schmelings,Sharkeys,Baers,Carneras that Louis beat had alot to be desired.Louis beat alot of ex-champions who don't rank in the top 15 Heavyweights of all-time.The 20's had Dempsey,Tunney,Firpo,and alot of good Black fighters.

Those quotes sound familier?

Which one you want Jack Dempsey to fight? A top 20,30,40 fighter would get starched quick by a Prime Dempsey.Tunney would win every round against the fighters you listed! PLEASE,you can do better than that?

And your point is? Louis starches any of Dempsey's opponents. More to the point, Schmeling, Baer and quite possibly Sharkey as well starch Willard, Charpentier, Firpo, and Gibbons: Dempsey's most notable opponents prior to losing the title. I would also point out that Louis starched every Light-Heavyweight he fought. Hint: Tunney's a Light-Heavyweight. Dempsey, on the other hand struggled against Gibbons and lost to Tunney.

Poet

[TheGreatA]

Dempsey was no where near a Prime Dempsey against Sharkey.That was between the Tunney fights.

If Baer "tranined" for Firpo you have a case.

It wasn't a prime Dempsey but to be honest he was dominated in that fight until scoring the KO. If a past prime A-class of the previous era has that much trouble against a young B-class fighter of the next era, then it's a bit difficult to call either era much better than the other.

I don't think Baer would even have to train for Firpo. He would only have to land his big right hand, which he would since Firpo had no defense and wasn't exactly the most durable fighter around.

[boxingbuff]

The question wasn't who Ali fought it was the quality of 1920s Heavyweights viz-a-viz 1930s Heavyweights. Please stay on topic.







Those quotes sound familier?




And your point is? Louis starches any of Dempsey's opponents. More to the point, Schmeling, Baer and quite possibly Sharkey as well starch Willard, Charpentier, Firpo, and Gibbons: Dempsey's most notable opponents prior to losing the title. I would also point out that Louis starched every Light-Heavyweight he fought. Hint: Tunney's a Light-Heavyweight. Dempsey, on the other hand struggled against Gibbons and lost to Tunney.

Poet

You were going pretty good until you mentioned Dempsey lost to Tunney.

We both know Dempsey wasn't near Prime Dempsey against Tunney,and he still managed to drop him for the 10 count.A prime Dempsey cathes and stops Tunney much earlier.

It cracks me up how you will use a fighter past his prime to make your point or "try" to win a debate.You and another poster are famous for this,Lol

[StarshipTrooper]

You were going pretty good until you mentioned Dempsey lost to Tunney.

We both know Dempsey wasn't near Prime Dempsey against Tunney,and he still managed to drop him for the 10 count.A prime Dempsey cathes and stops Tunney much earlier.

It cracks me up how you will use a fighter past his prime to make your point or "try" to win a debate.You and another poster are famous for this,Lol

While I agree Dempsey was past prime, the point, which seems to have elluded you, is that Tunney was a LIGHT-HEAVYWEIGHT.

It cracks me up how you try and change the issue when you don't like the direction the debate is going.

BTW, the rule is a fighter is knocked out when the REFEREE'S count reaches 10.....NOT when a time-keeper or some smuck watching on TV sees 10 seconds expire.

Poet

[boxingbuff]

It wasn't a prime Dempsey but to be honest he was dominated in that fight until scoring the KO. If a past prime A-class of the previous era has that much trouble against a young B-class fighter of the next era, then it's a bit difficult to call either era much better than the other.

I don't think Baer would even have to train for Firpo. He would only have to land his big right hand, which he would since Firpo had no defense and wasn't exactly the most durable fighter around.

Yes,I saw the Dempsey-Sharkey fight many times.He was being dominated! He also looked like a schell of the Prime Jack Dempsey.

BTW-I have seen every fight I can get my hands on.All the way back into the 1800's.

And I love Max Bear! I'm not going to argue against him. And yes,he would not train hard for Firpo.I still insist he had one of the hardest right hands in the HISTORY of boxing.

[boxingbuff]

Yes,I saw the Dempsey-Sharkey fight many times.He was being dominated! He also looked like a schell of the Prime Jack Dempsey.

BTW-I have seen every fight I can get my hands on.All the way back into the 1800's.

And I love Max Bear! I'm not going to argue against him. And yes,he would not train hard for Firpo.I still insist he had one of the hardest right hands in the HISTORY of boxing.

Ohhhh,I forgot.I would love to see Jim Jefferies and Jack Johnson fight Joe Louis and Muhammad Ali too.I know there from another era,but it just popped in my mind.I have film on all of the old-time fighters.