Computer Tournament - The Middleweights

[Greatest1942]

He's going to beat Mike Gibbons with a hand tied behind his back.... MIKE GIBBONS and PANAMA JOE GANS ???????... BWOOOO-HA-HAH,,... better than Les ?????????????....... and what about Harry.... 10th ?? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????........... Didn't Greb beat Walker "IN REAL LIFE" ?????...... and another thing.... where's Gene Fullmer ??. Gene walks through half of these as well.

Well Mcgoorty Mike Gibbons was not that bad, and I do see him to be a atg....

He has a proven record...For nothing he was known as the phantom Mike. He was a great boxer..

Look at the guys he fought:-

McGoorty (knocked him out in 5 once),beat Jeff Smith and Ted “Kid” Lewis, fought Greb,Al McCoy and fought them to a ND...so no one was his clear superior...if Greb could not do it , I doubt Les.... will do it with one hand tied behind his back

[Greatest1942]

Well Mcgoorty Mike Gibbons was not that bad, and I do see him to be a atg....

He has a proven record...For nothing he was known as the phantom Mike. He was a great boxer..

Look at the guys he fought:-

McGoorty,Greb,Al McCoy and fought them to a ND...so no one was his clear superior...if Greb could not do it , I doubt Les.... will do it with one hand tied behind his back

I thought this might interest people:-

http://www.videosurf.com/video/us-ar...film-126679968

[McGoorty]

Well Mcgoorty Mike Gibbons was not that bad, and I do see him to be a atg....

He has a proven record...For nothing he was known as the phantom Mike. He was a great boxer..

Look at the guys he fought:-

McGoorty (knocked him out in 5 once),beat Jeff Smith and Ted “Kid” Lewis, fought Greb,Al McCoy and fought them to a ND...so no one was his clear superior...if Greb could not do it , I doubt Les.... will do it with one hand tied behind his back

I did say that Mike Gibbons was a great fighter, and one hand behind Les's back was flippant, but I am intensely annoyed that Gibbons could ever be rated equal or better than Les Darcy. For a start Darcy fought them all except for Greb, Klaus and Mike,... Greb had not "Arrived Yet".... and Gibbons was about equal to McGoorty, Clabby, Jeff Smith and he IS SUPERIOR to AL McCOY,...... But Darcy beat all the other top Middleweights and the guy's who had won AND lost to gibbons....................... Problem is, Darcy beat the crap out of all of them, and EVERY expert of the time said Darcy was the STAND out and another level above all others,.... and they also said the same about the LHW's,,,,,,,,,, Jack Dillon was next in line for Darcy,... and Dillon had out-grown the MW division....... In closing, Les Darcy was THE DOMINANT fighter in the MW division, and Mike Gibbons I rate at 3rd of that era, with Frank Klaus at #2........ but maybe McGoorty and Clabby should be rated at 2nd and 3rd ahead of MG and FK..... The #1. position is beyond any reasonable doubt......... And Darcy was already the holder of ONE of the two Middleweight Championship Titles,........ and His belt must take preceedence over the virtually Non-Existant claim to the other belt that Al McCoy said he had..... he never defended his title in the entire 3 year period,..... and lost several newspaper decisions to most of the above named...... NOBODY in their right mind today or back in 1916 acknowledged McCoy as a serious threat to Les Darcy,,.. I doubt if Al would have lasted 3 rounds with Darcy, I know this era better than any other, just have a deep look into Les Darcy and the MW's and LHW's of that era..... thankfully, eventually, Al McCoy put his title up in a fight with the newly arrived Mike O' Dowd and thanks to O'Dowds destruction of Al McCoy, some sanity was restored to the MW's.

[McGoorty]

I thought this might interest people:-

http://www.videosurf.com/video/us-ar...film-126679968

Oh and Les Darcy would have destroyed Mike Gibbons ---- With both hands untied of course..... It is no disgrace to Gibbons though to say it,,, Darcy was a beast,,, with the reach of a heavyweight,....... he was basically a Heavyweight TANK masquerading as a Middleweight TANK........... Think of a Centurion tank, THAT WAS LES DARCY.

[McGoorty]

Oh and Les Darcy would have destroyed Mike Gibbons ---- With both hands untied of course..... It is no disgrace to Gibbons though to say it,,, Darcy was a beast,,, with the reach of a heavyweight,....... he was basically a Heavyweight TANK masquerading as a Middleweight TANK........... Think of a Centurion tank, THAT WAS LES DARCY.

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[McGoorty]

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I thought I'd just paste that great and only footage of Mike Gibbons, pity there's no film on him so we can compare his style to Darcy's.... as a matter of fact Mike and his brother Tommy and Darcy met each other and the story goes that they got on like mates and the Gibbons bros got to respect Darcy, as they witnessed him sparring some guys. That video was a great find mate.

[Greatest1942]

I thought I'd just paste that great and only footage of Mike Gibbons, pity there's no film on him so we can compare his style to Darcy's.... as a matter of fact Mike and his brother Tommy and Darcy met each other and the story goes that they got on like mates and the Gibbons bros got to respect Darcy, as they witnessed him sparring some guys. That video was a great find mate.

I will post three things

1) Les did not fight Greb, Mike did...We can conjecture all we can but in absence of film what you are saying is just a conjecture...I am not convinced

2) Mike has the deeper resume

3) I saw the Mike Gibbons - Mike O'Dowd match...it was a first rate quality film...And Mike was extremely skillful. I doubt any one of that era was better (skill wise).

And yes I think from the very fact that Greb et all had trouble with Mike...I think it can reasonably assumed that he was a phenomenal fighter...

[Greatest1942]

I did say that Mike Gibbons was a great fighter, and one hand behind Les's back was flippant, but I am intensely annoyed that Gibbons could ever be rated equal or better than Les Darcy. For a start Darcy fought them all except for Greb, Klaus and Mike,... Greb had not "Arrived Yet".... and Gibbons was about equal to McGoorty, Clabby, Jeff Smith and he IS SUPERIOR to AL McCOY,...... But Darcy beat all the other top Middleweights and the guy's who had won AND lost to gibbons....................... Problem is, Darcy beat the crap out of all of them, and EVERY expert of the time said Darcy was the STAND out and another level above all others,.... and they also said the same about the LHW's,,,,,,,,,, Jack Dillon was next in line for Darcy,... and Dillon had out-grown the MW division....... In closing, Les Darcy was THE DOMINANT fighter in the MW division, and Mike Gibbons I rate at 3rd of that era, with Frank Klaus at #2........ but maybe McGoorty and Clabby should be rated at 2nd and 3rd ahead of MG and FK..... The #1. position is beyond any reasonable doubt......... And Darcy was already the holder of ONE of the two Middleweight Championship Titles,........ and His belt must take preceedence over the virtually Non-Existant claim to the other belt that Al McCoy said he had..... he never defended his title in the entire 3 year period,..... and lost several newspaper decisions to most of the above named...... NOBODY in their right mind today or back in 1916 acknowledged McCoy as a serious threat to Les Darcy,,.. I doubt if Al would have lasted 3 rounds with Darcy, I know this era better than any other, just have a deep look into Les Darcy and the MW's and LHW's of that era..... thankfully, eventually, Al McCoy put his title up in a fight with the newly arrived Mike O' Dowd and thanks to O'Dowds destruction of Al McCoy, some sanity was restored to the MW's.

Dillon actually fought Mike and from the news paper reports it does seem that he did okay... it is listed as a ND.

Many say he schooled Dillon ( a light heavy)... Gibbons won every round of the fight, according to those at ringside....not bad yea?

[Greatest1942]

Dillon actually fought Mike and from the news paper reports it does seem that he did okay... it is listed as a ND.

Many say he schooled Dillon ( a light heavy)... Gibbons won every round of the fight, according to those at ringside....not bad yea?

GIBBONS CLEVERLY OUTPOINTS DILLON; Fast Footwork Enables St. Paul Boxer to Gain Advantage in Six Rounds.

ST. PAUL, Minn., Nov. 10. -- Mike Gibbons of St. Paul outpointed Jack Dillon of Indianapolis in a ten-round no-decision contest here tonight. Gibbons led in six rounds. Three sessions went to Dillon, and the other

was even. At 3 P.M. today Gibbons weighed in at 153 1/3 and Dillon at 162 the latter one pound under the agreed weight.


Also read these

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...k+dillon&hl=en

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...k+dillon&hl=en

[McGoorty]

GIBBONS CLEVERLY OUTPOINTS DILLON; Fast Footwork Enables St. Paul Boxer to Gain Advantage in Six Rounds.

ST. PAUL, Minn., Nov. 10. -- Mike Gibbons of St. Paul outpointed Jack Dillon of Indianapolis in a ten-round no-decision contest here tonight. Gibbons led in six rounds. Three sessions went to Dillon, and the other

was even. At 3 P.M. today Gibbons weighed in at 153 1/3 and Dillon at 162 the latter one pound under the agreed weight.


Also read these

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...k+dillon&hl=en

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...k+dillon&hl=en

Look, if I have to go through and make a direct comparison to all of their common opponents, and then I can show that while Gibbons had only some wins and some losses to the people that Les also fought, and Darcy wiped the floor with all of them,... Eddie McGoorty said Darcy would beat Not just Gibbons,.... but any and all MW's at the time,.. and same goes for others like Jimmy Clabby...... McGoorty and Clabby and a good number of Darcy's VICTIMS had also had Wins (or newspaper decisions),.... fact is Mike Gibbons is at the very same level as McGoorty, Smith, Clabby at the very least...... and that alone makes him a superstar, because Clabby and McGoorty certainly are in my opinion........... those fighters all said that Darcy was in another class,..... but Gibbons is in the Eddie McGoorty class...... maybe all-time greats..... they DO HAVE A CASE.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Harry Greb.......... As I said, he is from after 1916,... a fighter on the way up but hadn't hit the big time............ I have not heard any contrary opinions about Les Darcy's dominance......... You cannot include as a comparison Gibbons career post_Darcy V Chip........ oh and there's another guy better than Al McCoy................................... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Maybe have a read through the Darcy Book thread, so you can form some picture in your mind about Darcy....... The real World champion 1915 - 17.