Muhammed Ali Vs. Wladimir Klitschko Computer Matchup

[Vadrigar.]

Interesting that these 2 would get the same, I regard them both as the most talented SHW as well. Seeing as they both got the same against Ali I'm guessing the program would say it's a 50/50 split if you did Bowe vs Lewis, could you try please ?.
I'd say Bowe beats Lewis 9 times out of 10 though.

Will probably get the program on pay day.

To be honest, I never knew a program like this existed.

[StarshipTrooper]

Interesting that these 2 would get the same, I regard them both as the most talented SHW as well. Seeing as they both got the same against Ali I'm guessing the program would say it's a 50/50 split if you did Bowe vs Lewis, could you try please ?.
I'd say Bowe beats Lewis 9 times out of 10 though.

Will probably get the program on pay day.

It's an awesome program and only around $30.00. You get THOUSANDS of fighters with it from ATGs all the way down to tomato cans. It's well worth the investment for any boxing fan

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

To be honest, I never knew a program like this existed.

There's actually TWO. I have both but I run these matchups on the better of the two progams

Poet

[Vadrigar.]

There's actually TWO. I have both but I run these matchups on the better of the two progams

Poet

Does it do video simulation as well?

That would be amazing.............

[StarshipTrooper]

Does it do video simulation as well?

That would be amazing.............

No, just a generic one showing action......the blow by blow commentary is extremely detailed though.

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

Interesting that these 2 would get the same, I regard them both as the most talented SHW as well. Seeing as they both got the same against Ali I'm guessing the program would say it's a 50/50 split if you did Bowe vs Lewis, could you try please ?.
I'd say Bowe beats Lewis 9 times out of 10 though.

Will probably get the program on pay day.

Bowe edges it by 50-46-4. Bowe scored 40 stoppages, Lewis scored 21 stoppages. It only takes a few seconds to run a hundred fights.

Poet

[SBleeder]

Which program is the better program? I will have to get one and waste even more time at work.

Can the program match up guys from different weight classes? I want to see how Eder Jofre would fare against George Foreman.

[Vadrigar.]

No, just a generic one showing action......the blow by blow commentary is extremely detailed though.

Poet

I'm interested in knowing how all the variables are calculated.

For example how is punching power between two fighters judged?

[Sugarj]

I must admit, I'm not a particular fan of this type of computer simulation but am grateful to Poet for opening an interesting thread. I do think that there are too many intangibles to consider such as a fighter's mood, stress, how well training has gone, how up for a fight someone is, if they have had personal problems in the leadup to the fight etc. Human beings are unpredictable and show different levels of motivation/form based on too many different variable factors.

Thats not to say that programs like these wont predict many matchups correctly, especially fights that have an obvious winner. When a fight appears to be genuine 50/50, I'd be very impressed for the computer to be much above 50% accurate though.

Remember a computer can only use the hard data that it is programmed with. A very simplifed example below shows why Ali would be favoured over Wlad:

Ali has fast hands
Ali has fast feet
Ali has excellent 15 round stamina
Ali has above average power
Ali is hard to hit with clean punches
Ali has an excellent chin
Ali absorbs body punches well
Ali maintains a good punch output per round
Ali is 6 ft 3
Ali has an 82 inch reach
Ali at his best weighs 212-215 Lbs


When you see how this compares with Wlad there is no suprise that Ali wins most matchups:

Wlad has quite fast hands
Wlad has quite fast feet
Wlad is known to have had stamina issues in the past
Wlad has excellent power
Wlad is quite hard to hit
Wlad has shown a suspect chin
Wlad has shown an average punch output per round
Wlad is 6 ft 6 (I forget exactly how tall he is)
Wlad at his best weighs 240Lbs


Of course the programs will be programmed with much more statistical data, punch outputs, punches slipped, ring records, accuracy, weight to name a few. But I still think that we get stuck on potential 50/50 fights.

I'll bet that Floyd wins the majority of matches in a computer matchup with Pacquiou! I see that fight as a genuine 50/50 at welterweight right now (in real life!). But Pacquiou's earlier stoppage losses will no doubt prove the determining statistical factor to the computer and the fact that he was outboxed by another orthodox fighter in Moralles.


For what its worth though, I do think prime Ali beats prime Wlad! I think we would be looking at a tough decision win, no walk in the park if I'm honest. Wlad does have skills and he would be well prepared by Manny Steward.

I think his chin would probably hold up to Ali's punches and he would be stronger in the clinches. His own technical prowess would pose some problems for Ali, but surely Ali's sheer speed, elusiveness (we are talking prime for prime here) and clear advantage in boxing ability, combination punching and workrate would be key to a points victory.

[StarshipTrooper]

Which program is the better program? I will have to get one and waste even more time at work.

Can the program match up guys from different weight classes? I want to see how Eder Jofre would fare against George Foreman.

Title Bout Championship Boxing 2.5 is the better program. Data Boxing is the other one. Data Boxing is interesting for comparison purposes but Title Bout wins hands down on accuracy. If you get it let me know because I can send you some photos to use in it.

Poet