Muhammed Ali Vs. Wladimir Klitschko Computer Matchup

[bklynboy]

These simulations mean nothing and prove nothing. The only thing they're good for is to give us more to talk and think about.

And before I seem ungrateful let me thank Poet for running the simulations and posting them here.

[StarshipTrooper]

If anyone wants to purchase these simulations themselves here are the links:


Title Bout 2.5

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/joomla/downloads-tbcb/gamedownloads-tbcb.html

Data Boxing

http://www.downeygames.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=23&products_id=185

[StarshipTrooper]

These projections can't silence anybody or prove anything because it isn't working with objective figures.

Let's take something simple. How much power did Marciano have? Or Foreman? We don't know. If we had sensors and data of them (and 1000s of other fighters) hitting heavy bags and pads we might have an idea of their power in a real fight. And this is something relatively easy to quantify. What about something much more difficult such as keeping focus and determination while losing, allowing you to capitalize on a mistake and turn the fight around?

These simulations mean nothing and prove nothing. The only thing they're good for is to give us more to talk and think about.

Quite right: Anyone who's really gung-ho for their guy isn't going to be swayed by the results of a computer simulation. It DOES make for some fun and discussion though and the results really aren't going to be too out of line with reality. For example, Title Bout accurately predicted the outcome of the Vitali Klitschko Vs. Danny Williams bout: 7th round stoppage (I ran it about an hour before the actual fight).

Poet

[gingeralbino]

Here are the results of Morales Vs. Hamed:


Title Bout II

Erik Morales 82-18-0 with 63 stoppages
Naseem Hamed 18-82-0 with 11 stoppages


Data Boxing

Erik Morales 63-34-3 with 28 stoppages
Naseem Hamed 34-63-3 with 11 stoppages

Thats kind of what i was expecting. The first one was a bit too one sided for Erik, but that may be me blinded by my love for the prince! I was curious to see how many KOs they gave, concidering Naz had insane power and Erik had equally an insane chin, Naz had a good chin too, and Erik could KO fighters right left and centre over 12 rounds of constant hits.
Cheers for running that.

You should def. do that tournament with all the fighters u were talking about. Would be interesting to see the results.

[StarshipTrooper]

Thats kind of what i was expecting. The first one was a bit too one sided for Erik, but that may be me blinded by my love for the prince! I was curious to see how many KOs they gave, concidering Naz had insane power and Erik had equally an insane chin, Naz had a good chin too, and Erik could KO fighters right left and centre over 12 rounds of constant hits.
Cheers for running that.

You should def. do that tournament with all the fighters u were talking about. Would be interesting to see the results.

While I don't have any issue with Data Boxing's won-loss results it doesn't seem to have the appropriate number of stoppages so overall I prefer Title Bout II.

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

These projections can't silence anybody or prove anything because it isn't working with objective figures.

Let's take something simple. How much power did Marciano have? Or Foreman? We don't know. If we had sensors and data of them (and 1000s of other fighters) hitting heavy bags and pads we might have an idea of their power in a real fight. And this is something relatively easy to quantify. What about something much more difficult such as keeping focus and determination while losing, allowing you to capitalize on a mistake and turn the fight around?

These simulations mean nothing and prove nothing. The only thing they're good for is to give us more to talk and think about.

Also, if anyone would like to read up on these programs I uploaded the manuals for them:

http://www.**********.com/?d=0N1OC2YO

[fight_professor]

ali stops him every time. wlad is a good HW but he doesnt deserve being mentioned in the same sentence as ali.

Real talk.

These EE fighters stand no chance against Ali.

[Vadrigar.]

Poet, is it possible to run through Vitali vs ALi?

[The_Demon]

Prime ali would embarrass wlad

[StarshipTrooper]

Poet, is it possible to run through Vitali vs ALi?

Done! 100 fights.....Ali wins 94 with 44 stopages, Vitali wins 5 with 4 stoppages, and 1 draw

Poet