Hagler Vs. Hopkins: who wins? explain.

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One's a legend, the other just thinks he's a legend. I'm going for the legend.

Okay, so you don't rate Bernard very highly.

Tel me why, exactly.

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Hagler was the greatest 160 lb fighter ever. Withstood Hearn's murderous right cross and fought a close fight against Ray Leonard's supreme boxing ability.

Hagler was the most complete package we've ever seen in a fighter. Great righty or lefty, slugging or boxing. Great endurance and a tremendous chin. I'm a huge Ray Leonard fan, but you can give this to Marvin Hagler. No one ever clearly, cleanly, beat him. And he fought some real tough hombres. He'd have broken through B Hop's defense and would wear him down like he did everyone. Ray Leonard beat Hagler with a miracle rally in the last 2 rounds.

1.) The same thing can be said about Hopkins. (With the exception of Jones.)

2.) I thought Ray Leonard clearly beat Hagler.

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Naturally, I'm going Hopkins on this one. And it's not fanboyism ; I'll tell you why.

Marvin Hagler always looked best against a stationary opponet. Whenever he was in against a guy who wasn't going to stand infront of him and let him mow them down at will, he didn't look nearly as impressive.

Past prime, retired, former Welterweight World Champion "Sugar" Ray Leonard proved this.

And I don't get all the "controversy" over that fight. I've seen it at least 2 dozen times, and everytime I saw Ray winning the fight.

Power wise, Hagler has a slight advantage. But make no mistake, he wasn't this mythic wreckingball puncher that over the years people have labelled him as thanks to his domination of Tommy Hearns.

Speed wise, Hopkins clearly had the faster hands. I'd even wager a bet right now that this prehistoric version of Hopkins still has the faster hands. Watch the Calzaghe and Pavlik fights closely and look how quickly Hopkins gets his shots off. That type of speed is crazy for a man who should've been retired 8-10 years ago.

Chin wise, Hagler has an edge. He's notorious for being able to take a good licking and keep on ticking. But make no mistake about it ; Hopkins has one hell of a beard on him as well. Probably not as strong as Marvin's, but it's stood up to some solid shots over the years from some strong opposition.

Skill wise, it's Hopkins all day IMO. He's slicker, faster, more elusive, smarter (Marvin wasn't exactly known for his ring smarts), fights from angles, knows how to take away his opponet's best assets (Trinidad's left hook, Pavlik's right hand), knows how to set the tempo, and not to mention he's bigger than Hagler.

Neither fighter has ever faced an opponet quite like the other. It would be an interesting fight, and 15 rounds would not effect Hopkins in the slightest.

I'm going with the bigger, faster, more defensively skilled Hopkins to win a close unanimous decision, or possibly a majority decision depending on how well Hagler could get his game going in the middle to late rounds.

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agree with the above especially about haglers struggles against good boxers like leonard and duran......but you gotta be crazy to say his power is overrated, watch his early fights like against minter he blasted a hole in his face........he ko'd all his defenses except for leonard and duran.....

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Naturally, I'm going Hopkins on this one. And it's not fanboyism ; I'll tell you why.

Marvin Hagler always looked best against a stationary opponet. Whenever he was in against a guy who wasn't going to stand infront of him and let him mow them down at will, he didn't look nearly as impressive.

Past prime, retired, former Welterweight World Champion "Sugar" Ray Leonard proved this.

And I don't get all the "controversy" over that fight. I've seen it at least 2 dozen times, and everytime I saw Ray winning the fight.

Power wise, Hagler has a slight advantage. But make no mistake, he wasn't this mythic wreckingball puncher that over the years people have labelled him as thanks to his domination of Tommy Hearns.

Speed wise, Hopkins clearly had the faster hands. I'd even wager a bet right now that this prehistoric version of Hopkins still has the faster hands. Watch the Calzaghe and Pavlik fights closely and look how quickly Hopkins gets his shots off. That type of speed is crazy for a man who should've been retired 8-10 years ago.

Chin wise, Hagler has an edge. He's notorious for being able to take a good licking and keep on ticking. But make no mistake about it ; Hopkins has one hell of a beard on him as well. Probably not as strong as Marvin's, but it's stood up to some solid shots over the years from some strong opposition.

Skill wise, it's Hopkins all day IMO. He's slicker, faster, more elusive, smarter (Marvin wasn't exactly known for his ring smarts), fights from angles, knows how to take away his opponet's best assets (Trinidad's left hook, Pavlik's right hand), knows how to set the tempo, and not to mention he's bigger than Hagler.

Neither fighter has ever faced an opponet quite like the other. It would be an interesting fight, and 15 rounds would not effect Hopkins in the slightest.

I'm going with the bigger, faster, more defensively skilled Hopkins to win a close unanimous decision, or possibly a majority decision depending on how well Hagler could get his game going in the middle to late rounds.

Umm.. Why would Marvin Hagler be in trouble with boxers when he himself is a boxer? He usually outboxed most of hiss opponents.

You think Hagler would be stalking Hopkins? Get real...

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agree with the above especially about haglers struggles against good boxers like leonard and duran......but you gotta be crazy to say his power is overrated, watch his early fights like against minter he blasted a hole in his face........he ko'd all his defenses except for leonard and duran.....

12 straight KO defenses.

He'd knock Bernard Hopkins out. And Hopkins is more of a come-forward fighter than Marvin Hagler, btw.

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Umm.. Why would Marvin Hagler be in trouble with boxers when he himself is a boxer? He usually outboxed most of hiss opponents.

You think Hagler would be stalking Hopkins? Get real...

Don't get it twisted. Marvin's a good boxer. But do you really think he's got the depth of skill to outbox Hopkins?

Hopkins would very rarely play lead, and when he did, it was pre-prime.

If we're talking prime for prime here, then we're talking the late 90's, early 00's version of Bernard.

And that version of Bernard would never allow himself to become the aggressor, aside from the occasional right hands down the pipe, especially against a dangerous opponet like Hagler.

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12 straight KO defenses.

He'd knock Bernard Hopkins out. And Hopkins is more of a come-forward fighter than Marvin Hagler, btw.

Hagler would knock Hopkins out?

You must've eaten those fucking shrooms tonight, huh?

Marcos Geraldo made it 10 rounds with prime Marvin.

If you think Hagler takes him, that's fine. It's entirely possible.

But neither Hagler nor Hopkins is getting knocked out in this one. Marvin is too damn bullheaded, and Hopkins is rarely ever caught flush, and when he has been ; his beard has passed with flying colors.

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I don't see either guy getting stopped. Or even close to it, really. Hagler had a great chin and a pretty effective parrying defense. Hopkins was even better defensively, and has a very sound chin too. Neither one of them have shown to be very vulnerable to the body, real stamina issues, nor are either of them freakish punchers either, although Hagler was heavy-handed and Hopkins was not exactly featherfisted.