Head to head : Greatest Featherweights

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Well we can agree to disagree about Marquez/John.

You may very well be right about Saddler/Morales. I can certainly see Erik being too brave for his own good against an opponet like Sandy, but my gut told me that he would still pull it off. So I'm just going on that gut instinct that I had initially, after sizing up the fight.

Armstrong could definitely beat Pacquiao, it's probably the closest of the fights I've listed here. Except for maybe Pep/Marquez. Pacquiao's best weight was likely 130, and he was a one trick pony back then.

But let's not forget that that one trick pony managed to dominate guys like Barrera and Morales.

Tough call.

And LOL@ The fouling of Attell and Barrera. That was part of the reason why I wanted to match them up together.

I always figured Marco was the kind of guy who could've held his own in even the old school era, he was certainly no stranger to rough tactics and cheap shots.

I know you like your philly fighters... and hence dirty fighting ( me too btw) so if you didn't do so already I suggest you read accounts of the Pep-Saddler fights (not all of them though, one was cleaner) and of Zivic-Armstrong. If you read the description, it would look there were NO legal punches thrown in those fight.

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I know you like your philly fighters... and hence dirty fighting ( me too btw) so if you didn't do so already I suggest you read accounts of the Pep-Saddler fights (not all of them though, one was cleaner) and of Zivic-Armstrong. If you read the description, it would look there were NO legal punches thrown in those fight.

Which of their fights would you say was the dirtiest?

I've seen the third and fourth fights, but I've yet to see the first and second.

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Which of their fights would you say was the dirtiest?

I've seen the third and fourth fights, but I've yet to see the first and second.

I mix them all up... but I think 3 and 4 are the dirtiest, and in one of the two legend says that Saddler broke Pep's arm (or dislocated his shoulder can't remember) in a clinch!

But I was suggesting reading more than actually watch available videos (which I suspect you did) the reports cos they are just funny.

On the other fights, I remember a Zivic interview about one of the armstrong fights, in which he said that he basically got "authorized" by the ref to foul and then he started doing it, but before he was just holding back and being unhappy at Armstrong's fouling.

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This is a bait for manchine, southpaw or yogi to drop some wisdom... where are you guys? The thread question would also benefit greatly from your contributions!

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I think wmute is right in saying that the rules would play a big factor in the outcome of an Attell-Barrera fight, what size gloves would they wear, how many rounds would they go? etc. Attell was used to fighting 20 round fights.

Kid Chocolate vs Arguello is a very interesting styles matchup, Chocolate knew how to use movement, side to side and in and out but can he consistently keep from getting tagged by Arguello for the duration of the fight? That's hard to say, Arguello was at his best at 130 but he had pretty good success at 126 as well, beating Ruben Olivares after 13 rounds. Either Chocolate by decision or Arguello by knockout and I'm leaning towards the former.

Armstrong vs Pacquiao would be a great, great fight. Armstrong had a very good chin, the 126 pound version of Pacquiao was much more one dimensional compared to the Pacquaio of today, Armstrong would overwhelm a 126 pound version of Pacquiao with his constant aggression. Today's version of Pacquiao in a 126 pounder's body though would be a much more evenly fought match, but I still see Amstrong as the victor, it would be a much tougher fight though.

I don't think Saddler is a good styles matchup for Morales, a lanky guy who can box Morales on the outside and rough Morales up on the inside, who can take a shot and can give one hell of a shot, wouldn't be surprised to see Saddler stop Morales.

Pep vs Marquez is a very interesting technical fight, it would be great from a hardcore boxing fan's standpoint, the level of intelligence and knowledge in that ring would be awesome. I got Pep by competitive decision, I think he would have made Marquez lead eventually which would make Marquez make mistakes, Pep would take advantage of these mistakes with pinpoint counters and win a decision. Marquez would be in the fight though, no doubt about it.

Last fight is a pretty easy one to pick for me, Sanchez would beat Hamed pretty easily IMO, he just has to be careful to not fight at Hamed's level, Sanchez had a bad habit of fighting at his opponents' level at times which led to fight being more competitive than they should have been. Sanchez at his best counterpunches Hamed silly.

Anyways, don't make this out to be me being biased for old school fighters, it's just how I see the fights going.

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I think wmute is right in saying that the rules would play a big factor in the outcome of an Attell-Barrera fight, what size gloves would they wear, how many rounds would they go? etc. Attell was used to fighting 20 round fights.

Kid Chocolate vs Arguello is a very interesting styles matchup, Chocolate knew how to use movement, side to side and in and out but can he consistently keep from getting tagged by Arguello for the duration of the fight? That's hard to say, Arguello was at his best at 130 but he had pretty good success at 126 as well, beating Ruben Olivares after 13 rounds. Either Chocolate by decision or Arguello by knockout and I'm leaning towards the former.

Armstrong vs Pacquiao would be a great, great fight. Armstrong had a very good chin, the 126 pound version of Pacquiao was much more one dimensional compared to the Pacquaio of today, Armstrong would overwhelm a 126 pound version of Pacquiao with his constant aggression. Today's version of Pacquiao in a 126 pounder's body though would be a much more evenly fought match, but I still see Amstrong as the victor, it would be a much tougher fight though.

I don't think Saddler is a good styles matchup for Morales, a lanky guy who can box Morales on the outside and rough Morales up on the inside, who can take a shot and can give one hell of a shot, wouldn't be surprised to see Saddler stop Morales.

Pep vs Marquez is a very interesting technical fight, it would be great from a hardcore boxing fan's standpoint, the level of intelligence and knowledge in that ring would be awesome. I got Pep by competitive decision, I think he would have made Marquez lead eventually which would make Marquez make mistakes, Pep would take advantage of these mistakes with pinpoint counters and win a decision. Marquez would be in the fight though, no doubt about it.

Last fight is a pretty easy one to pick for me, Sanchez would beat Hamed pretty easily IMO, he just has to be careful to not fight at Hamed's level, Sanchez had a bad habit of fighting at his opponents' level at times which led to fight being more competitive than they should have been. Sanchez at his best counterpunches Hamed silly.

Anyways, don't make this out to be me being biased for old school fighters, it's just how I see the fights going.

Oh, no way man.

They're really interesting style matchups, and it's not out of the realm of possibility that, Saddler could stop Morales, or Pep would decision Marquez.

That's why I matched them up the way I did ; I wanted everybody to have an opponet who had a style that wasn't designed for them.

Like wmute said, Morales would probably have a beter chance defeating Kid Chocolate. But would it be as interesting to watch as Morales/Saddler?

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Oh, no way man.

They're really interesting style matchups, and it's not out of the realm of possibility that, Saddler could stop Morales, or Pep would decision Marquez.

That's why I matched them up the way I did ; I wanted everybody to have an opponet who had a style that wasn't designed for them.

Like wmute said, Morales would probably have a beter chance defeating Kid Chocolate. But would it be as interesting to watch as Morales/Saddler?

From an action standpoint probably not, Morales-Saddler would be more entertaining than Morales-Chocolate.

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From an action standpoint probably not, Morales-Saddler would be more entertaining than Morales-Chocolate.

And what boxing fan in their right mind wouldn't want to see the ill-tempered Marco Antonio Barrera mix it up with an equally ill-tempered Abe Attell?

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i thought barrera saddler would be the dirtiest fight ever

armstrong was a pretty rough bastard, maybe he and saddler at 126

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And what boxing fan in their right mind wouldn't want to see the ill-tempered Marco Antonio Barrera mix it up with an equally ill-tempered Abe Attell?

No doubt, foul filled fight right there.