Henry Armstrong vs Billy Conn Middleweight bout

[JAB5239]

boxing math means nothink, garcia was champion something corbet and apostoli wasnt, armstrong wouldnt let conn get in to his rythm he would be in billy's face all night long and speaking of deep water thats were armstrong would take conn, billy would never of faced anything like hank.

Your ignorance is glaring. Do your homework ya dope. If Apostoli was never champion, who did Garcia win the title from?

You either didn't know who these fighters were or insinuated they weren't on the same level at middlweight as Garcia. Either way I have proven beyond a doubt that they were. If you want to take it a step further and compare resumes for more proof, say the word.

As far as your ridiculous take on how an Armstrong-Conn fight would play out.....you have no foundation to base your claims on. Hank lost to Garcia. Nobody who knows anything is going to say Garcia was better than Conn, because he wasn't. On top of that, Conn was bigger, faster and stronger than Cefirino. So with that said, how come Armstrong allowed Garcia to get in a rythm? And how is he going to stop and even better fighter with huge advantages in height and reach from doing the same? Armstrong never beat a fighter as big as Conn before or after his attempt at the middlweight title. What on Gods green Earth makes you think he going to do it to one of the best fighters ever? Come on, break it down for us. Use some logic, because your opinion means **** when faced with facts.

[Joey Giardello]

Your ignorance is glaring. Do your homework ya dope. If Apostoli was never champion, who did Garcia win the title from?

You either didn't know who these fighters were or insinuated they weren't on the same level at middlweight as Garcia. Either way I have proven beyond a doubt that they were. If you want to take it a step further and compare resumes for more proof, say the word.

As far as your ridiculous take on how an Armstrong-Conn fight would play out.....you have no foundation to base your claims on. Hank lost to Garcia. Nobody who knows anything is going to say Garcia was better than Conn, because he wasn't. On top of that, Conn was bigger, faster and stronger than Cefirino. So with that said, how come Armstrong allowed Garcia to get in a rythm? And how is he going to stop and even better fighter with huge advantages in height and reach from doing the same? Armstrong never beat a fighter as big as Conn before or after his attempt at the middlweight title. What on Gods green Earth makes you think he going to do it to one of the best fighters ever? Come on, break it down for us. Use some logic, because your opinion means **** when faced with facts.

Sorrie man i have got to agree with cotto 16, garcia was better than young corbet III and Apostoli, but i dont think armstong could get a win over conn, conn size and jab would be very hard for henry to over come. Why have you tuned this all so nasty? were all just historians who love there boxing

[JAB5239]

Sorrie man i have got to agree with cotto 16, garcia was better than young corbet III and Apostoli, but i dont think armstong could get a win over conn, conn size and jab would be very hard for henry to over come. Why have you tuned this all so nasty? were all just historians who love there boxing

Im glad you agree with the outcome my friend. I think most intelligent fans see it this way because of the facts involved. That said, it can never really be proved, only debated.

If you go back over the post history of this thread you will notice that I never said either Corbett or Apostoli were better than Garcia, Only that Conn faced a better class of fighters at this weight overall than Garcia. I stand by this and am willing to provide evidence and facts on the subject.

If this has gotten a little nasty its because I have supported my claims with facts and gotten nothing but conjecture and attitude in return. If Im wrong about something I'll bow my head and admit it. If anybody else make a claim I don't see eye to eye with Im going to call them on it and ask how they came to that particular conclussion. Cotto hasn't backed anything he's said with any kind of facts and hardly has a clue what he talking about. See his quote on Apostoli never having a title even though thats the fighter Garcia took the title from.

In the end though, you're right. There is no need to get nasty. Unfortunetly I do and probably will continue to get agravated and or dragged down to a level that isn't conducive to intelligent debate by people who either don't know wha they're taking about or can't admit thy are wrong. I know better, but it is what it is.

[TheGreatA]

Sorrie man i have got to agree with cotto 16, garcia was better than young corbet III and Apostoli, but i dont think armstong could get a win over conn, conn size and jab would be very hard for henry to over come. Why have you tuned this all so nasty? were all just historians who love there boxing

I don't know about Garcia being better than Corbett and Apostoli although you could make the case that he was better than Apostoli since Garcia beat him.

Corbett III on the other hand has one of the most underrated resumes of all time which not only includes two decisive wins over Garcia but wins over Billy Conn, Mickey Walker, Gus Lesnevich, Fred Apostoli, Jackie Fields, Jack Thompson, etc. One thing that will always dent his legacy is the way that he was knocked out by McLarnin in just one round, a fight he was supposed to win easily.

Of course the fact that he was a big favorite over Jimmy McLarnin should tell you how highly people thought of him at the time.

By the way it would be about time to induct Ceferino Garcia into the boxing hall of fame since Corbett III and Apostoli are already there.

[GJC]

Don't know about Garcia being robbed, it was a close fight and Armstrong gave a good account of himself but this robbery myth grows stronger through the years. I prefer Armstrong as a fighter but IMO the fighter moving up is always at a disadvantage. The biggest thing that nullifies that disadvantage is theoretically he should be quicker and also may challenge a weakish fighter. In this match up Armstrong wouldn't be quicker and Conn is a very good fighter. Just think that middleweight is a weight too far for Armstrong and could only see him beating 2nd tier fighters at this weight.