Jersey Joe Walcott vs. George Foreman

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  • them_apples
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    #11
    I'd say George by KO in round 6 or 7. Wallcott fights on the back foot then gets caught by something huge. In big fights Foreman always came to kill, Wallcott would be a big fight.

    I could see Walcott slipping in some shots while suckering Foreman into a trap, but realizing it would do nothing to Georges chin.

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      #12
      Originally posted by them_apples
      I'd say George by KO in round 6 or 7. Wallcott fights on the back foot then gets caught by something huge. In big fights Foreman always came to kill, Wallcott would be a big fight.

      I could see Walcott slipping in some shots while suckering Foreman into a trap, but realizing it would do nothing to Georges chin.
      Ali and Young knocked his ass all over the ring with sharp accurate shots on the button. I don't think heavy punchers like Frazier or Lewis could get him down like that. Walcott has the ability to knock him down like Young. But the lad wouldn't make it till then i'm affraid.

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      • Thunder Lips
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        #13
        Also, Sub 200 lb Peralta busted up Foreman pretty good and had him out on his feet at the end of their first fight. Accuracy goes a long way.

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          #14
          Originally posted by Thunder Lips
          Also, Sub 200 lb Peralta busted up Foreman pretty good and had him out on his feet at the end of their first fight. Accuracy goes a long way.
          But bear in mind that was only George's 16th pro fight and Peralta was an experienced fighter. When Walcott was at his 16th he'd already lost twice, once by KO.

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            See this the thing with this match up, both fighters have the tools to beat each other and potentially cause each other problems. As both are each other's weakness in a sense.

            Foreman struggled with sippery boxer/movers like Walcott, and Foreman easily had the power to KO Walcott, as Walcott chin was a negative point in his arsenal.
            Last edited by Southpaw16BF; 04-19-2009, 12:11 AM.

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            • res
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              #16
              Originally posted by Slimey Limey
              Ali and Young knocked his ass all over the ring with sharp accurate shots on the button. I don't think heavy punchers like Frazier or Lewis could get him down like that. Walcott has the ability to knock him down like Young. But the lad wouldn't make it till then i'm affraid.
              Weird characterization of the young Fight. For the first part of the fight Young would just throw out two weak jabs and then ran into Foreman's arms like he was his lover lol. He waited for Foreman to tire then he got more brave and aggressive

              We know Ali waited it out with the rope a dope strategy.

              If Walcott tried to end it earlier as you suggest it would be curtians for him in my opinion.

              As Southpaw says Walcott does have the tools to win, it's a bit of a toss up.


              But if I were betting i would go for Foreman. I think Walcott would be braver than Young and not as smart as Ali.

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                #17
                Originally posted by res
                Weird characterization of the young Fight. For the first part of the fight Young would just throw out two weak jabs and then ran into Foreman's arms like he was his lover lol. He waited for Foreman to tire then he got more brave and aggressive

                We know Ali waited it out with the rope a dope strategy.

                If Walcott tried to end it earlier as you suggest it would be curtians for him in my opinion.

                As Southpaw says Walcott does have the tools to win, it's a bit of a toss up.


                But if I were betting i would go for Foreman. I think Walcott would be braver than Young and not as smart as Ali.
                When Foreman wasn't tired he never went down, as we saw in his comeback. Weight helps a bit yes, but against Qawi he got down to 235, only 5 lbs shy of his departure, 15 of his prime, and his chin couldn't be faulted.

                Even against Ali he got up right away and didn't seem hurt. After seeing the shots he took from Holyfield you know he's got one of those iron chins. This is the same case with Joe Frazier, whose left hook did nothing but tickle George even when it landed flush.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by res
                  Weird characterization of the young Fight. For the first part of the fight Young would just throw out two weak jabs and then ran into Foreman's arms like he was his lover lol. He waited for Foreman to tire then he got more brave and aggressive

                  We know Ali waited it out with the rope a dope strategy.

                  If Walcott tried to end it earlier as you suggest it would be curtians for him in my opinion.

                  As Southpaw says Walcott does have the tools to win, it's a bit of a toss up.


                  But if I were betting i would go for Foreman. I think Walcott would be braver than Young and not as smart as Ali.
                  Like I said, Walcott won't make it further than the opening seconds of the first round, so don't disagree with me here mate.

                  Originally posted by them_apples
                  When Foreman wasn't tired he never went down, as we saw in his comeback. Weight helps a bit yes, but against Qawi he got down to 235, only 5 lbs shy of his departure, 15 of his prime, and his chin couldn't be faulted.

                  Even against Ali he got up right away and didn't seem hurt. After seeing the shots he took from Holyfield you know he's got one of those iron chins. This is the same case with Joe Frazier, whose left hook did nothing but tickle George even when it landed flush.
                  Against Ali he was up at 9 so that's incorrect. In the second fight against Frazier he did get stunned a few times by the left hook. I think Foreman could be ko'd but one needs a stellar chin first.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by Southpaw Stinger
                    But bear in mind that was only George's 16th pro fight and Peralta was an experienced fighter. When Walcott was at his 16th he'd already lost twice, once by KO.

                    It is the start of a pattern that would haunt Foreman throughout his first career. Big George never improved his stamina or pacing(it may have got worse) and counter punchers continued to hurt and frustrate him.

                    A young, poorly conditioned and trained Walcott getting Koed early by the likes of Abe Simon doesn't really foreshadow a glaring weakness that would trouble him throughout his career. During his peak run, Walcott would go on to defeat or make a good account of himself against bigger punchers like Lee Q Murray, Elmer Ray, and Joe Louis.

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                    • Thunder Lips
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by them_apples
                      When Foreman wasn't tired he never went down, as we saw in his comeback.
                      He wasn't tired when Lye was knocking him around the ring.

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