Jack Johnson vs Frank Moran

[Southpaw16BF]

The great Jack Johnson defends his World Heavyweight Title against Pittsburgh's Frank Moran. Moran is coming off 2 KO wins, but has 9 losses and 7 draws against decent oppostion. But has pretty solid punching power.

Johnson's record going is 50 wins, 5 losees, and 9 draws. Johnson is past his best here, and this would be his last ever title defence, Johnson is coming off a draw with Battling Jim Johnson, who once held the great Sam Langford to a draw and holds a good win over Harry Willis, and is pretty underrated.

Moran's record going in is 24-9-7, and what your watching here is Johnson last ever good Championship Victory.

This isn't the full fight only highlights, Johnson win's a 20 Round Decision.

Details of the fight
Date-1914-06-27
Location: Velodrome d'Hiver, Paris, Paris, France
Referee: Georges Carpentier
World Heavyweight Title
Jack Johnson 221lbs/Frank Moran 203lb

[JAB5239]

[QUOTE]

The great Jack Johnson defends his World Heavyweight Title against Pittsburgh's Frank Moran. Moran is coming off 2 KO wins, but has 9 losses and 7 draws against decent oppostion. But has pretty solid punching power.

Johnson's record going is 50 wins, 5 losees, and 9 draws. Johnson is past his best here, and this would be his last ever title defence, Johnson is coming off a draw with Battling Jim Johnson, who once held the great Sam Langford to a draw and holds a good win over Harry Willis, and is pretty underrated.

Moran's record going in is 24-9-7, and what your watching here is Johnson last ever good Championship Victory.

This isn't the full fight only highlights, Johnson win's a 20 Round Decision.

Details of the fight
Date-1914-06-27
Location: Velodrome d'Hiver, Paris, Paris, France
Referee: Georges Carpentier
World Heavyweight Title
Jack Johnson 221lbs/Frank Moran 203lb

Couple intersting facts concerning Carpentier. First, he was only 20 years old at the time he refereed this fight. Second, 3 weeks later he beat Gunboat Smith who was considered the top "white hope" and "white" heavyweight champion at the time.

[Southpaw16BF]

Picture of Frank Moran


Jack Johnson and Frank Moran ready to do battle.

[TheGreatA]

I think Jack Johnson vs Fireman Flynn is probably my favorite performance of his even though Johnson was a bit past it and out of shape.

Highlight of Jack Johnson:


2:40

[LondonRingRules]

Couple intersting facts concerning Carpentier. First, he was only 20 years old at the time he refereed this fight. Second, 3 weeks later he beat Gunboat Smith who was considered the top "white hope" and "white" heavyweight champion at the time.

** Also Joe Jeannette and Sam Langford were in France in this period.

Georges lost to Jeannette in a disputed decision. Prior, Jeannette dropped a 20 rd classic to Langford that was supposed to be the French world heavy title they had stripped Johnson of, I guess for his Battling Johnson fiasco the day before which sees him quitting a 20 rd fight in the 10th and awarded a draw.

Jeannette also KOed McVey in a 49 rd classic years earlier, and Langford and McVey also duked out a pair of colored titles in Paris. Of course Langford almost got Burn in his France layover before he sailed for Australia with JJ tailing him. Lot of forgotten boxing lore in France.

Little advertised that Johnson got virtually nothing in terms of compensation against Battling Johnson and Moran while large offers against Langford and Jeannette lay ignored. Jeannette, McVey, Smith and Langford were in Paris to do business and everyone fought each other save Johnson who didn't want to play.

[Southpaw16BF]

I think Jack Johnson vs Fireman Flynn is probably my favorite performance of his even though Johnson was a bit past it and out of shape.

Highlight of Jack Johnson:


2:40

Around the Fireman Jim Flynn fight, Johnson started to decline,but in this fight Johnson showed he still had breathtaking skills. Nearly every punch Johnson threw he landed with his superb timing and accuracy. He rarely missed.

Jim Flynn seemed to be frustrated by this, and started using his dirty tactis. Every time the two would clinich or hold, Flynn would butt Johnson time after time, he would also gain levrage by jumping off the floor to make the butt have more of a impact. Flynn also reportedly hurled racial epithets at Johnson.

Before it was stopped in the 9th round, for a Johnson victory.

Also, this was Johnson's first fight in around year, and it didn't create much interest, Johnson needed a paycheck and Flynn was picked as a opponet. But around that time the fans weren't really interested in this fight.

It was held in Las Vegas, New Mexico and the date was July 4 1912.

[Southpaw16BF]

''Fireman'' Jim Flynn in his own right was a good fighter and much better than his record suggest's.

He was born Hoboken, NJ, USA, and his real name was actually Andrew Chiariglione.

Flynn was a short, squat, sturdy light heavyweight who fought anyone, regardless of their weight; He was tough, clever and game; During his career, he tangled with some of the greatest names in boxing history - Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey, Sam Langford, Tommy Burns, "Philadelphia" Jack O'Brien, Luther McCarty, Jack Root, George Gardner, Ed "Gunboat" Smith, Battling Levinsky, Jack Dillon, Theodore "Tiger" Flowers, Fred Fulton, Billy Miske and Carl Morris

Perhaps his most famous battles were his rough, aggressive 1912 fight against Jack Johnson for the World Heavyweight Championship and his 1917 win over Jack Dempsey and draw with Sam Langford.

Overall Flynn had wins over over 2 Hall of Famers in Jack Dempey and Tiger Flowers and a draw with Sam Langford.

Stanley Kecthel also rejected a showdown with him.

Flynn never avoided no one and was always willing to take on the best.


sex male
birth date 1879-12-24
death date 1935-04-12
division heavyweight
nationality United States
alias Andrew Haymes
residence Pueblo, Colorado, United States
birth place Hoboken, NJ, USA
birth name Andrew Chiariglione
stance orthodox
height 5′ 10″ / 178cm
reach 69″ / 175cm
won 49 (KO 36) + lost 53 (KO 23) + drawn 21 = 126
rounds boxed 1036 : KO% 28.57
http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php...boxer&pageID=1

He emerged from the railroad yards of Pueblo, CO, to gain fame in the ring.
In the months before his death, he was operating a bar in a seedy section of Los Angeles.
Died at a Los Angeles area hospital of a heart attack.

[TheGreatA]

Fireman Flynn was definitely tough as nails although not very skilled. He was probably one of the first to use the now-popular "high guard" with both of his gloves protecting his face.

Flynn went as far as to say that he should be shot if he didn't come back with the heavyweight title against Jack Johnson. Despite this it seemed like he was looking for a way out and got one as the sheriff of the town stepped in and stopped the fight.

Flynn traded first round knockouts with Jack Dempsey. It would be interesting to know more about these fights and the circumstances they were fought under. Some say Dempsey hadn't eaten for days and was weakened, some say he took a dive to get money.

[Yogi]

Prior, Jeannette dropped a 20 rd classic to Langford that was supposed to be the French world heavy title they had stripped Johnson of, I guess for his Battling Johnson fiasco the day before which sees him quitting a 20 rd fight in the 10th and awarded a draw.

Johnson was stripped by the French well in advance of his fight with Battling Jim, LRR, as it was in late Oct/early Nov of that year when the reports of that decision were made public on this side of the pond.

A couple of quick examples printed in the NY Times on Oct 29th and Nov 6th of 1913;

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive...669D946296D6CF

and...

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive...679D946296D6CF


Also, I saw a French advertisement that was published from just before the Johnson-Johnson fight, and after it was translated to English, it seemed to indicate that the fight was only a scheduled ten round go. In their post fight writeup the NY Times also refer to it as a "ten round affair" and give no indication at all that it was stopped before the scheduled distance was up. Regardless, though, if the fight was fought on the soils of a country that clearly didn't consider it a title fight and it not being promted as one over there, I have no idea why it's gone into the record books as that.

[Southpaw16BF]

Fireman Flynn was definitely tough as nails although not very skilled. He was probably one of the first to use the now-popular "high guard" with both of his gloves protecting his face.

Flynn went as far as to say that he should be shot if he didn't come back with the heavyweight title against Jack Johnson. Despite this it seemed like he was looking for a way out and got one as the sheriff of the town stepped in and stopped the fight.

Flynn traded first round knockouts with Jack Dempsey. It would be interesting to know more about these fights and the circumstances they were fought under. Some say Dempsey hadn't eaten for days and was weakened, some say he took a dive to get money.

Flynn never had a high skill bar, but he made up for this with his toughness and heart.

There was alot of bad blood going in the Johnson fight, and emotions were running high. But people tend to forget that this was the rematch, as they had already fought each other 4 years earlier, were Johnson would come away with a 11th round KO victory.The date was November 2rd 1907. And was held at Coffroth's Arena, San Francisco, California.

I don't think Flynn ever would of beat Johnson, they could of 20 times and Johnson would beat him the full 20 times. Just overall the much better fighter than Flynn ever was or ever would be.

It is belived to be true that Dempsey hadn't eaten for days going into the Flynn fight, and was living poorly. And yes there were also rumour's of a fxied fixed etc.

It was a shock to just about everyone when Flynn scored a 1st round KO over Dempsey, as Flynn wasn't really considered a stern test for the younger Dempsey. Flynn hadn't won in 2 years, and was a 5 fight losing streak.

I take nothing away from Flynn, but this really is a questionable outcome and futher's the suspecious that some thing was going on with Dempsey whether it be not eating or a fixed fight.

This would all be put right, when on Febuary 13th 1918, Dempsey would KO Flynn in 1:10 of the first round in devestating fashion. Something he was supposed to do in their first meeting.