10 greatest title reigns

[Steak]

Just for the record, I think Louis's opposition is far superior to Tyson's...the guy beat a ton of good fighters and a handful of future or former lineal champs, which is a hell of a lot better than beating some alphabet belt holder...but to pretend that everyone in the division was great is pushing it.

youre trying to tell me that someone like Tony Galento was better than most of Tyson's title defences? give me a break.


and Chavez fought a top ten fighter in the majority of his title defences, enough with talking about a 'padded record'

[StarshipTrooper]

I'll be waiting for you to elaborate on Louis' opposition, unless of cource if the only thing you can say is "others are like mickey mouse club(what the fook is that mate?) compared to Joe". Bum of the month club mate, unless you can explain me otherwise.

The so-called "Bum Of The Month Club" officially refers those fighters Louis fought between December of 1940 and March of 1941. They are:

1940-12-16 Al McCoy
1941-01-31 Red Burman
1941-02-17 Gus Dorazio
1941-03-21 Abe Simon
1941-04-08 Tony Musto
1941-05-23 Buddy Baer
1941-06-18 Billy Conn

Al McCoy - 115 career wins including wins over Tommy Loughran and Nathan Mann.

Red Burman - 76 career wins including a win over Tommy Farr.

Gus Dorazio - 73 career wins including a win over Bob Pastor.

Abe Simon - Outweighed Louis by 50 pounds and had a win over Jersey Joe Walcott.

Tony Musto - The only true bum of the bunch.

Buddy Baer - Outweighed Louis by 35 pounds, 52 career wins including wins over Lee Savold, Nathan Mann, and Tony Galento.

Billy Conn - Light-Heavyweight Champion, 64 career wins including wins over Fritzie Zivic, Vince Dundee, Teddy Yarosz, Fred Apostoli, Gus Lesnevich, Melio Bettina, Bob Pastor, Lee Savold, and Tony Zale.

Poet

[JAB5239]

Joe Louis may have beaten the best of his era and fought 14 HOF'ers.

But he never beat 14 HOF'ers in his title defenses which is what we are talking about.

How great were these fighters that he beat in his reign.

I say his best wins were Schmeling and Walcott twice.

Joe Louis was a great great fighter and his reign is exceptional in terms of longevity but I don't think its as great as you and others make out in terms of quality of opposition.

Sure there were some good fighters and the odd very good fighter but not great.

Take Salvador Sanchez for instance. Now his title reign included some great fighters and who knows how long he could have reigned for but for that tragic accident.

Danny Lopez twice, Juan LaPorte, Ruben Castillo, Wilfredo Gomez and Azumah Nelson.

He beat the best there were to beat during his era. It wasn't Ali's era, no. But it wasn't nearly as bad as "the bum of the month club" tag makes it sound either.

[JAB5239]

The so-called "Bum Of The Month Club" officially refers those fighters Louis fought between December of 1940 and March of 1941. They are:

1940-12-16 Al McCoy
1941-01-31 Red Burman
1941-02-17 Gus Dorazio
1941-03-21 Abe Simon
1941-04-08 Tony Musto
1941-05-23 Buddy Baer
1941-06-18 Billy Conn

Al McCoy - 115 career wins including wins over Tommy Loughran and Nathan Mann.

Red Burman - 76 career wins including a win over Tommy Farr.

Gus Dorazio - 73 career wins including a win over Bob Pastor.

Abe Simon - Outweighed Louis by 50 pounds and had a win over Jersey Joe Walcott.

Tony Musto - The only true bum of the bunch.

Buddy Baer - Outweighed Louis by 35 pounds, 52 career wins including wins over Lee Savold, Nathan Mann, and Tony Galento.

Billy Conn - Light-Heavyweight Champion, 64 career wins including wins over Fritzie Zivic, Vince Dundee, Teddy Yarosz, Fred Apostoli, Gus Lesnevich, Melio Bettina, Bob Pastor, Lee Savold, and Tony Zale.

Poet

Somebody just got owned! Nice work Poet.

[JAB5239]

They were called this for a reason. Plus I see a large amount of hypocrisy since you're the same type of lad who critisizes Tyson and Lewis' opposition, and don't acknowledge the same argument people use("They were made to look like bums" etc)Unless you can elaborate on how every opponent he beat in his title reign was decent or great, it's still a padded title reign and was rightfully called Bum of the month club.
Also Jabs, mate. WIthout Louis these fighters would have been forgotten, except for Walcott, Charles, Marciano, Conn. All of these beat or almost beat Joe.

Please, why don't you tell me about MY stance on Tyson and Lewis since you think you know it?

Bottomline is tht there have been worse eras than Louis in every weight class including heavy, and nobody has made 25 defenses EXCEPT Louis. That is greatness, my friend.

[StarshipTrooper]

Somebody just got owned! Nice work Poet.

Thanks! Of Louis' 65 career wins he has victories over:

King Levinsky
Max Baer
Paulino Uzcudun
Charley Rezlaff
Jack Sharkey
Al Ettore
Bob Pastor twice
James Braddock
Tommy Farr
Nathan Mann
Max Schmeling
John Henry Lewis
Tony Galento
Arturo Godoy twice
Johnny Paychek
Buddy Baer twice
Lou Nova
Billy Conn twice
Tami Mauriello
Jersey Joe Walcott twice
Cesar Brion twice
Lee Savold
Jimmy Bivins

That's 29 wins over name opponents. If someone is NOT familier with these fighters it doesn't say anything about their quality as fighters but speaks VOLUMES about the ignorance of people who couldn't be arsed to inform themselves about fighters who were active before they themselves discovered the sport.

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

Just for the record, I think Louis's opposition is far superior to Tyson's...the guy beat a ton of good fighters and a handful of future or former lineal champs, which is a hell of a lot better than beating some alphabet belt holder...but to pretend that everyone in the division was great is pushing it.

youre trying to tell me that someone like Tony Galento was better than most of Tyson's title defences? give me a break.

and Chavez fought a top ten fighter in the majority of his title defences, enough with talking about a 'padded record'

Tony Galento was certainly no worse than Donovan Ruddock. Both were limited fighters, both were dangerous punchers. Galento was certainly better than Trevor Berbick, Tyrell Biggs, and Carl Williams.

Poet

[JAB5239]

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The Whitaker fight was at 147lbs anyway, so it wouldnt have made a difference when it came to his 140 reign.

Sorry my man I thought I acknowledged this yesterday. Thank you for the correction.

[Boogie Nights]

Come to think of it compared to damn near ANY Heavyweight titlist's opposition it looks like the ****in' Mickey Mouse Club.

what a sorry little man you are. But coming from a guy who never gave Tyson a single good compliment other than the one on his knowledge of boxing, i wouldnt expect anything more from you.

I rank Louis #2 on my list after Ali, but however you wanna twist it and whatever names you bring into equation listing their best wins and what not, Louis did fight cans. Louis resume is better than Tysons', but the hilite here is the number of title defenses, a record which would be hard to beat.

Please dont make it look like Louis opponents were untouchable world beaters, Tyson would go through 80% of them with relative ease. The hate you're spreading is really not needed, along with your ****sexual jokes in every other post you make.

[Boogie Nights]

Tony Galento was certainly no worse than Donovan Ruddock. Both were limited fighters, both were dangerous punchers. Galento was certainly better than Trevor Berbick, Tyrell Biggs, and Carl Williams.

Poet

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