10 greatest title reigns

[TheGreatA]

You still haven't responded to any of my arguments.

[StarshipTrooper]

Manmachine has his own cheerleader now.
What I call youtubemahcine's "reasoned arguments" is convenient nitpicking with nonsense comparisons that simply don't hold up, and I set every one of them straight.



Clearly no amount of hard facts that Joe Louis did have atleast 1 tiny litle bit of a flaw is going to crack through your biased thick skull.



Getting paranoid again mate? Stick to your medication.
And you reveal your same agenda in every post you make, which is your 3-flames tactic.



Yes, I bet you are foaming from the mouth every time someone actually challenges you in a debate and forces you to go back to your old 3 flames tactic(1-you hate old fighters, 2-you are not worth the response, 3-dishonest ignore button. This is Poetta in a nutshell).



That's convenient nitpicking, just like Jabbie did and I stomped him into the ground for that.
I love how you Louis cornhole lickers always this this or that fighter is inconsistent, yet you wouldn't never in hell admit anything like this about Louis.

I have yet to see you circle jerkers say even 1 non nuthugging thing about him.



More crying.




That's typical manmachine for you. Idiotic comparisons and convenient nitpicking.

Just suck on your binky and acccept the fact you've been owned over and over again. You've been exposed by your intellectual betters as being a nitwit who knows nothing about boxing not to mention being unable to think your way out of a wet paper bag. Now run along like a good little Pommey and maybe mommy will let you have some titty-milk; leave the adult discussions to your betters.

Poet

[TheGreatA]

I don't see how these arguments are "nonsense":

How convenient that you say Ali struggled with MANY smaller men yet go on to only mention ONE, in which ALi was not even close to his prime.

He was also nearly KO'd by Henry Cooper, a 180 lber. Both of these fights were not even a year before he outboxed and beat Sonny Liston!

Just like your pathetic Ali example, still young and not in his prime. And still, not even close to what Louis was doing against Conman. There is a diffirence between a close fight and winning, and being dominated for over 10 rounds and then catching your opponent.

I've already disproved the myth about Louis being "dominated". The fight was near even on the cards with Conn having a slight lead after 12 rounds.

Foreman was so young and out of prime that he was coming off two of his career best performances against George Chuvalo and Boone Kirkman.

WHy did Louis get spanked and dominated by Charles? Why did Marciano torture and brutally KO him out of the ring? It's not like Louis was already OLD and SHOT, innit? There is a reason why I never mention these losses that Louis suffered.

You did mention the loss to Charles. You also mentioned the loss to Schmeling and now you're trying to say that Ali and Foreman were "too young".

Again, Charles was nothing like Conman. The man became a true heavyweight just like Holyfield and Moorer.
And again, it was nothing like the Louis-Conn fight where Louis looked like crap.

True heavyweight who weighed 185 lbs against Marciano.

How convenient that you act like Louis didn't 'get lucky' against Conman but still go on to act like the Shavers-Ellis KO was 'luck'.

It's not that it was luck, it was illegal (holding & hitting).

Sharkey was an ancient fossile by that time so it means nothing. Anyone with eyes can see Dempsey wasn't even close to the monster he was years before. The fact that he knocked Tunney on his ass once for half a minute shows that the only thing he had left was power, and was no longer capable of using it like before.

Huh? Sharkey was young and in his prime at the time the fight was held. He later went onto win the heavyweight title from Max Schmeling.

Furthermore, Tunney cannot be compared to Conman in terms of Heavyweigts.

Conn's HW resume before facing Louis was about as good as Tunney's before he faced Dempsey with wins over top 10 ranked contenders Gunnar Bärlund (the man in my avatar), Bob Pastor and Lee Savold. He had KO'd 4 of his last five HW opponents.

Tunney's best win at HW before facing Dempsey was over Tommy Gibbons, a former LHW himself, who gave Dempsey the most trouble in all of Dempsey's title defenses until Tunney.

He was just like Marciano, two very small heavyweights able to **** with the big lads. I can't see Conman doing anything like them.

Ellis weighed around 190 and wasn't exactly solid. He was a former middleweight, not even a light heavy.

I also made up more examples about Liston and Norton:

Ken Norton was knocked out by JL Garcia, a bloated light heavyweight.

Sonny Liston lost a SD and was knocked down in the rematch against LHW contender Marty Marshall.

If they were "too young" then so was Louis against Schmeling.

[JAB5239]

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Time to spank some more Joe Louis spunk lovers. And for your lack of info, Jabbie, some of us actually have a life and work. Your job as a male ********** probably has night shifts and such but I don't have as much time on my hands like you and Poet and youtubemachine. But don't worry mates, I'll be glad to continue depressing and shattering your dreams about bum killer.



You are still scared to post your true feelings, because you are now too ashamed to admit that you think Louis' laughable title reign should be #1. I'm glad I set you straight child.



I haven't ever posted something childish like you and Poeta. You act like you're some old boxing historian but by looking at your posts you come across as an infant angry because someone said Superman is better than Batman.

See above in red.

But that's not the point is it?

No, its exactly the point.

If you'd like I could and I do, but HOLYFIELD's crappy work in that fight has nothing to do with it. Plus I was actually proving a point, which was that Holmes was actually a better fighter at that age than Louis spunk lovers like you give him credit for.

What does this prove? Holy struggled with Cooper and tired old George his two previous fights.

How convenient that you are again ducking questions and going around it. Lets count. You are able to, right Jabbie? 2 ducks already.

Yeah, I know. Still waiting on that list of fighters with better title reigns than Louis, and why.

Nowhere near as limited as the windmilling bums Louis was padding his record with.

Do these words look familiar, they should? "Just because you have never heard of them doesn't make them bums. It just means you know nothing, Johnny boy."

I already cleared the Holmes fight up. Damiani never gave him a boxing lesson like LHW Conn was doing to Joe, and Ferguson is another fighter MUCH better than the typical bum of the month club Louis opponent.

73-79, 74-79, 74-78. Those were the scores of the Damiani fight before the stoppage.

Ferguson ended his career at 26-18, was stopped 7 times and besides beating Mercer and underacheiving Buster Douglas, lost everytime he stepped up. Nice call on how good he really was. Seems to me you've just earned your Ph.d in ******ity. Congratulations!

Another big fail there, Jabbie. Hold those tears now, there's more to come.

Bring it on lil man.

He was indeed getting spanked, got lucky with the KO and indeed won the rematch. There should have never been a rematch in the first place if the GOAT #1 best ever title reign Louis took care of business the first time around. So I win again.

Conn is an all time great (unlike Douglas), it was a close fight, and Louis closed the show. Great fighters overcome adversity, just like Louis did.

Guess he just wasn't as great, and he actually did have flaws? Unbelievable isn't it?

Nobody said he didn't have flaws. But that can't change the fact that he is argubly the greatest heavyweight ever.

Still ducking it, Jabbie. That's number 3.

Still waiting on that list of fighters and why you think their reigns were better than Louis'.

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How convenient that you left out the part where while Tyson was gettin the **** beaten out of him, he KNOCKED DOUGLASS DOWN FOR OVER 10 SECONDS. There you go, I just shattered this comment.

Maybe you should take a minute and look up the definition of the word 'explanation'.

I actually DID answer you. I think you have a lot of problems reading, Jabbie. Because you keep accusing me of things that went over your head. But since you're so slow, I'll repeat myself again. Douglass that night fought like a HW great and better than any opponent Louis ever faced. I'd rather lose to a big heavyweight like Douglass who fights like an ATG than lose to a blown up Light Heavyweight.

Seems you don't understand the difference between being great and fighting great. Conn was great. Douglas looked great that night because Tyson fought like crap and couldn't have gotten out of the way of Busters punches if Douglas had mailed him a letter and told him what punch would be coming next round. He was beat by a 42-1 underdog. An underachiever. A guy who sat on his ass and took the count in his very next fight. A guy who lost to Jesse Ferguson. You fail yet again.

And just like I shut Manmachine up about that, I never meant anything about the count controversy. So another failed attempt to start something.

[JAB5239]

You haven't shut anyone up. You've simply flapped your gums and refused to answer question. Lol, you're a joke.

There have been fighters who got away with cheating in a fight and those fights haven't been called a NC. Win is a win? You are just trying to cover up the fact that #1 GOAT Louis got his arse spanked across the ring by a blown up Light Heavyweight.
And this guy is supposed to stand a chance in fantasy matchups against the likes of Foreman, Liston and Ali?

Same old ignorant answer. Not even worthy of anymore of a response than this.

It was a blatant robbery and fighters generally don't get credit for it. But of cource, if it's Joe Louis, it's "judges thought he won. Win is a win" etc.
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I already said Walcott should have won. Bud did Louis, or did he not set the record straight in the rematch?

They never received long comprehensive beatings in their prime like Louis against Schmeling.You should have used the popular route and used Tyson-Douglass. But you're not even smart enough to do that, Jabbie.

22 years old and not yet champion. Set thing straight in the rematch. And if Im not mistaken we are taling about title reigns here, or have you forgotten?

This debating thing isn't your thing.

Well if you think its your thing you probably enjoy playing in traffic too. Not very bright, are you?

Looks liked you're the one getting torched here Jabbie, but your insecurity gets a break because of your butt buddy Poet always sticking up for you like a little babysitter. I guess you can't handle your own problems.

The overwhelming majority agrees with me, but Im getting torched?

More crying.

(sniffle)

First you're talking about fear and now a fookin internet tough guy contest mate? Sorry but I'm not sinking down to your child-like internet shananigans. But I guess it really means a lot to you mate.

Once again, see the highlighted section in red at the top of the page.

I'm your teacher here kid. Lose the child like remarks, ducking of posts and general patheticness and you might be able to talk about learning something to anybody.

(yawn)

Don't get mad, Jabbie.
I never lied to ya mate. You are too easy for me to use those kind of debating tactics. I just post and show you your own ignorance. Like when I'm making a point of Holmes still being a good fighter because he beat Mercer and almost a prime Holyfield, but you go ask me in panic why I'm not critisizing Holyfield. How convenient.

All I read was blah, blah, blah. And why haven't you critisized Holy? I'll tell you why.....because it would put your lame as argument right in the ****ter. FACT.

Wether the fighter was underachieving or an undisputable ATG, he fought like true great.
Get this. There was a show called top 5 EXCUSES for the Tyson loss. So they're talking about excuses, and #1 on the list was: "Douglass fought a great fight".
So there I answered why Tyson lost 'this type of fighter'. You have yet to answer me a lot of things.

A never was, fighting a great fight still doesn't explain how an all time great and 42 to 1 favorite was beaten down in his prime. Billy Conn fought a great fight, is an all time great, and still lost If you are going to critsize Louis, why not Tyson? Why not Holy, Liston, Dempsey, Lewis, Patterson, Holmes, Johnson, Ali, Foreman or any other heavyweight great? I'll tell you why....because you've got an agenda. Its the same reason you won't name the so called better title reigns than Louis' and why. You know it I'll tear it to shreds.

Did you even see the Holyfield fight? You're confusing it with Mcbride or something.

No, Im not.

I don't remember you saying anything about Morrison's chin. But very well then. What does this prove?

Proves you are overrating Mercer.

Your idol didn't have a stellar chin either, is this supposed to discredit him as well?

He was never stopped in his prime. His two stoppage losses came when he was still coming up and long after his skills had faded. Oh, and they were to two all time greats.

Mercer vs Damiani and Holmes and Ferguson answered above.

You never answer about Ferguson. You Damiani answer has been debunked and flushed down the toilet as well as your answer on Holmes. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

There, answered everything and gave you a worse spanking Louis received against Conman. Now you can only disagree, which you will definitely do because you're a Joe Louis cornhole licker. Have a nice day, and good luck on your nightshifts mate.

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Weak. Very weak.

[JAB5239]

I don't see how these arguments are "nonsense":

There not. He's been owned and turned out like a $5 dollar hooker.

[JAB5239]

LOL!

Poet

Notice how I jerked his chain and he came back like an obedient little *****? This is TO easy.

[StarshipTrooper]

Notice how I jerked his chain and he came back like an obedient little *****? This is TO easy.

No shlt eh? Like the masochist he is he keeps coming back crying "beat me some more" lol!

Poet

[BKM-]

Guys, guys. Don't stoop to his level, this is exactly what he wants from you. Trolling especially in this great section ought to be ignored.

[StarshipTrooper]

Guys, guys. Don't stoop to his level, this is exactly what he wants from you. Trolling especially in this great section ought to be ignored.

I know what you say is true Yaman; it's just that some of these guys are just so freaking irritating. They're the equivalent of itching powder in the crotch with some of the rediculous things they post.

Poet