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  • BattlingNelson
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    #11
    Sailor Tom Sharkey. Owner of history most signifikant cauliflower ear along with Battling Nelson.






    I have found this brilliant piece regarding the Jeffries-Sharkey relationship:

    "...probably his toughest duel, and certainly his most memorable, was his classic championship bout with the great Jim Jeffries in the searing heat of the Coney Island Athletic Club on the night of November 3, 1899.

    It was a fight for the ages, which proved in time to be so much more. It was a long, brutal confrontation that showcased outstanding talent and unrelenting courage. It forged a deep mutual respect between two of the hardiest men in the boxing universe and ultimately led to a trusting and enduring friendship.

    Many years after that memorable struggle for supremacy, Tom Sharkey walked into Jim Jeffries’ café in Los Angeles. Tom was drifting from job to job, having lost all the money he made in the ring. Big Jeff gave him a position and paid him a good salary. The two men quickly became friends. When the café eventually closed, Sharkey moved on and worked for promoter James Coffroth at the Tijuana racetrack. But Jeffries didn’t forget Sailor Tom.

    By 1926, Jeff was having money troubles of his own and began a vaudeville tour in an attempt to recoup some of his losses. He invited Sharkey to join him.

    Jeff’s often stern demeanour belied the kind and generous man he was. Honest to the core in his dealings with people, his great failing in business matters was to assume that others followed a similar moral code. Many of Jeff’s investments went awry through his trust of dishonest or deluded schemers.

    Jeffries was a happy and contented man for the most part, farming his ranch in the San Fernando Valley, but he clearly had a greater love and understanding for the simpler business and simpler principles of the boxing ring. Perhaps that was why he got along so well with Tom Sharkey, for Tom was even more of a fish out of water after the final punches had been thrown and the cheers of the crowds had died away.

    Big Jeff would always talk of Sharkey with great fondness. The Sailor could fight and he never stopped coming at you. This was the man whom the clever and hard-hitting Joe Choynski had so sorely underrated in an incredible, topsy-turvy tussle in San Francisco. Twice Choynski knocked the rampaging Sharkey out of the ring. On each occasion, Tom landed on his head, only to bounce up and clamber back into the ring. He won the fight and the result was regarded as a sensation."


    And this is about the fight:

    "Two men get to know each other well over 45 rounds of brutal fighting. Before Jeffries and Sharkey renewed hostilities at Coney Island, Jeff had decisioned Tom in another taxing battle at the Mechanics Pavilion in San Francisco in May 1898. Such fights and memories linger in a man’s mind until he takes his final breath.

    When big Jeff hooked up with his old pal Nat Fleischer in 1950, the two men turned the clock back half a century and recalled the Irish terror with the cauliflower ear. “They come no greater,” said Jeffries of Sailor Tom. “If ever there was a game and desperate fighter, Sharkey was the man. I split his eye open with one blow in our second battle and his ear started to swell until it was almost as big as my fist. When I landed on that ear, it was like hitting a big wet sponge. Yet he wouldn’t think of quitting.
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    How they went at each other. Jeffries and Sharkey never let up in their Coney Island classic. The rumour had gone around that Jeff wasn’t in his best shape. Some rumour. The champion announced his weight as 210lbs and looked superb. Sailor Tom was some 25lbs lighter, but gloriously chiselled, gnarled and fighting fit. Of all the toughs, Sharkey was the man you didn’t want to meet in a back alley on a rough night in Dublin.

    Jeff and Tom entered the ring at two minutes past ten in the evening, and they were stepping into a furnace that was being stoked by the second.

    While it had been an unusually warm day for the time of year, the heat of the night within the Coney Island Athletic Club was coming from 400 arc lamps suspended just fifteen feet above the canvas. For the first time, a film of a fight was being shot in artificial light. People in the great crowd were visibly sweating as they stood tightly packed in the aisles and perched high up around the building. Among them were such giants of the day as John L Sullivan, Jim Corbett, Kid McCoy, Peter Maher and George Dixon.

    The two contestants didn’t disappoint the house. In the aftermath, most of those present would be unable to recall when two heavyweights hit each other so hard and for so long. Jeffries and Sharkey fought ferociously from the opening gong, with Sailor Tom very much the rushing and fearless aggressor. Jeff got an idea of the marathon struggle that was in store for him when he dropped Sharkey to his knees in the second round with a big left hook to the jaw. Tom got up and ploughed straight back into the attack, as if the setback were an aberration.

    The two men hammered and jolted each other in close with tremendous blows, their durability a testament to their magnificent conditioning and inner spirit. Sharkey was cautioned several times for holding by referee George Siler, but the Irish Terror just kept charging and rushing, locked in his own private war against the one man he wanted to beat above all others."

    The article is long and I recommend reading the whole piece which includes a fine fight description.

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      Here's a description of Jeffries diet when he trained to fight. Some fighters today might learn a thing or two....:

      “I trained two months on the road in the ordinary way,” he explained. “Then I put in three months of the hardest kind of work, running, boxing and above all, dieting for the fight. I weighed 247 pounds stripped when I began the real work of conditioning, and that was my normal weight – not fat.

      “For three months, I ate hardly anything. You’d be amazed to know how little a big man really needs to eat and how much stronger a man becomes if he doesn’t eat too much. It’s no joke that people dig their graves with their teeth.

      “I would eat two small lamb chops for my dinner, with all the fat trimmed off. That made about two small bites to each chop. I had a little fruit and toast. I had dry toast for months – very little. All through that hard training, I ate as little as I could and drank nothing at all but a little cool water with lemon juice in it.”

      Jeffries was equally driven in his quest to learn more about the many subtleties and disciplines of boxing. He knew he could punch – and how he could punch – but he enhanced his natural power by learning to hit correctly. An educated left hand, he believed was of the essence. “With it a smart man can whip practically all right hand punchers. If you add to that left the knack of stepping into a blow instead of backing away, a smart man can whip practically anybody.”

      Jeff maintained that the true power punches, the devastating short hooks to body and jaw, came from the snap. The way in which the opponent fell would most often be the barometer of the blow’s correctness and timing.

      “All the force of the blow is snapped into a few inches, and it doesn’t push a man back,” Jeffries said. “A short blow can be snapped, but a long blow is never anything but a big push. I always tried to snap my punches. I got the idea seeing Fitzsimmons fight Corbett with those little short punches at Carson City, the time we were together up there. I had it knocked into me by the way Fitzsimmons’ punches jarred me when I beat him for the championship. Fitzsimmons was the greatest short punch hitter I ever saw.

      “When I knocked Fitzsimmons out with a right on the jaw at Coney Island, he fell forward. When I knocked Corbett out with a left hook on the jaw, he fell on his face. I knocked Gus Ruhlin out in the fifth round with one punch in the body, and he doubled up and fell forward.

      “I only remember two fellows who went backward when I hit them. One was Joe Goddard. That was before I learned how to hit. The other was Tom Sharkey. Tom was the toughest bird I ever fought and he gave me a lot of trouble."

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      • JAB5239
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        #13
        Originally posted by KostyaTszyu44
        foreman would murder him!
        Ok. Why? Jeffries was big, strong, athletic and known to be able to endure extreme punishment. How do you know George wouldn't have his hanmds full or even lose for that matter?

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          #14
          Originally posted by BattlingNelson
          Here's a description of Jeffries diet when he trained to fight. Some fighters today might learn a thing or two....:

          “I trained two months on the road in the ordinary way,” he explained. “Then I put in three months of the hardest kind of work, running, boxing and above all, dieting for the fight. I weighed 247 pounds stripped when I began the real work of conditioning, and that was my normal weight – not fat.

          “For three months, I ate hardly anything. You’d be amazed to know how little a big man really needs to eat and how much stronger a man becomes if he doesn’t eat too much. It’s no joke that people dig their graves with their teeth.

          “I would eat two small lamb chops for my dinner, with all the fat trimmed off. That made about two small bites to each chop. I had a little fruit and toast. I had dry toast for months – very little. All through that hard training, I ate as little as I could and drank nothing at all but a little cool water with lemon juice in it.”

          Jeffries was equally driven in his quest to learn more about the many subtleties and disciplines of boxing. He knew he could punch – and how he could punch – but he enhanced his natural power by learning to hit correctly. An educated left hand, he believed was of the essence. “With it a smart man can whip practically all right hand punchers. If you add to that left the knack of stepping into a blow instead of backing away, a smart man can whip practically anybody.”

          Jeff maintained that the true power punches, the devastating short hooks to body and jaw, came from the snap. The way in which the opponent fell would most often be the barometer of the blow’s correctness and timing.

          “All the force of the blow is snapped into a few inches, and it doesn’t push a man back,” Jeffries said. “A short blow can be snapped, but a long blow is never anything but a big push. I always tried to snap my punches. I got the idea seeing Fitzsimmons fight Corbett with those little short punches at Carson City, the time we were together up there. I had it knocked into me by the way Fitzsimmons’ punches jarred me when I beat him for the championship. Fitzsimmons was the greatest short punch hitter I ever saw.

          “When I knocked Fitzsimmons out with a right on the jaw at Coney Island, he fell forward. When I knocked Corbett out with a left hook on the jaw, he fell on his face. I knocked Gus Ruhlin out in the fifth round with one punch in the body, and he doubled up and fell forward.

          “I only remember two fellows who went backward when I hit them. One was Joe Goddard. That was before I learned how to hit. The other was Tom Sharkey. Tom was the toughest bird I ever fought and he gave me a lot of trouble."
          Great stuff Bat!!

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          • Cuauhtémoc1520
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            #15
            Originally posted by JAB5239
            Ok. Why? Jeffries was big, strong, athletic and known to be able to endure extreme punishment. How do you know George wouldn't have his hanmds full or even lose for that matter?
            Jeffries was strong and athletic but Foreman was on another level as far as size, power was concerned.

            I actually think Foreman is a bad match up for Jeffires because they both would stand and trade and that would benefit Foreman incredibly.

            I think Foreman would KO Jeffries.

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              #16
              Originally posted by cuauhtemoc1496
              Jeffries was strong and athletic but Foreman was on another level as far as size, power was concerned.

              I actually think Foreman is a bad match up for Jeffires because they both would stand and trade and that would benefit Foreman incredibly.

              I think Foreman would KO Jeffries.
              I think the simple matter is George's pole like jab.

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              • billionaire
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                #17
                Originally posted by Jim Jeffries
                Six year layoff

                And he still went 15 rounds with Johnson .
                your just covering up the truth like i stated johnson chased jeffries for years when they were both active but jeffries refused to give him a shot.......even jeffries supporters said he should fight johnson.....then he retired like a ***** only returning after it finally got to him that he was an overrated fighter...they used to have open workouts and sparring in front of the public back then and they all said jeffries looks like a beast and johnson has no chance......then johnson embarrassed him and the excuses started....

                and 15 rounds only because johnson toyed with his ***** ass like a fat roll of playdoe....jeffries didnt even land 1 good punch....if that fight happened today they wouldve stopped it within 8......

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                  #18
                  Not only was Jeffries coming off a six-year layoff, he lost like a hundred pounds in a crash diet to get ready for the fight!

                  I have no problem with Jim Jeffries. I always thought he was a great champion for his time. Had he met Johnson earlier (i.e. when he was young and hungry for victory) I have no doubt the fight would've been much more competitive.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by billionaire
                    your just covering up the truth like i stated johnson chased jeffries for years when they were both active but jeffries refused to give him a shot.......even jeffries supporters said he should fight johnson.....then he retired like a ***** only returning after it finally got to him that he was an overrated fighter...they used to have open workouts and sparring in front of the public back then and they all said jeffries looks like a beast and johnson has no chance......then johnson embarrassed him and the excuses started....

                    and 15 rounds only because johnson toyed with his ***** ass like a fat roll of playdoe....jeffries didnt even land 1 good punch....if that fight happened today they wouldve stopped it within 8......
                    Jeffries didn't duck Johnson because he was afraid of him. He ducked him because he did'nt like Negroes.

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                    • Jim Jeffries
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by billionaire
                      your just covering up the truth like i stated johnson chased jeffries for years when they were both active but jeffries refused to give him a shot.......even jeffries supporters said he should fight johnson.....then he retired like a ***** only returning after it finally got to him that he was an overrated fighter...they used to have open workouts and sparring in front of the public back then and they all said jeffries looks like a beast and johnson has no chance......then johnson embarrassed him and the excuses started....

                      and 15 rounds only because johnson toyed with his ***** ass like a fat roll of playdoe....jeffries didnt even land 1 good punch....if that fight happened today they wouldve stopped it within 8......
                      Jack Johnson's win over a 6 year inactive Jeffries means much less than even Calzaghe's win over Roy Jones Jr, which is to say next to nothing. Jeffries wasn't 5'7", 168 lb Tommy Burns, 5'9", 170 lb Stanley Ketchel or 5'6", 156 lb Sam Langford, which are the only people Johnson ever fought that had a pulse.

                      Keep holding onto the Jeffries win. You might be one of about 6 people that it actually has meaning to. And be glad Jim didn't fight him before he retired, or we would never have even heard of Johnson.

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