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Originally posted by Silencers View PostOn a side note, Young's tactics against Ali was incredibly irritating, sticking his head outside the ropes almost everytime Ali got something going was very irritating and I'm pretty sure illegal.
Difference between Ali and Louis is Louis only has a couple of controversies and settled things with timely rematches. Walcott got an immediate rematch and all the judges, the ref, and the judges were on notice. Go check out the result.
Most in the day accept that Young not only easily beat Ali, but he outclowned the clown as well. He only ducks under the ropes a few time, about as many times as Ali ropadopes, and I'm pretty sure it's illegal to adjust the ropes to looseness and then stick your head 2' outside the natural perimeter of the ring to paraphrase you.
Ali benefits from every single one of many controversies throughout his career, so you need find a better example to bolster your hyperventilating claim of robbery which is thrown out after every decision these days. Casual fans don't know the first thing about how boxing is scored on top of the monthly outrages like the Cintron/Martinez result last week were nobody in the ring knows whats going on for 3 min in the middle of the fight.
DKing made a fortune on robberies, but getting back to topic, Walcott was a fine tricky journeyman type fighter who proves his mettle in a classic series with Charles, Louis, and Rocky. No matter the opinions of muddled moderns, it was one of the most storied eras in history, but you have to accept on boxing forums that some may disagree.
Walcott damaged his reputation with his botch of the Liston/Clay rematch and I seem to recall a nasty patch of NJ politics when he was athletic director but in general he's still remembered fondly. Ibro ranks him 16th alltime which is pretty good considering the competition. A classic American example of grit and perseverance. He actually first makes his name with the Louis "robbery."
No better class of fighter to get "robbed" against than Joe Louis my friend and I imagine JJ knew it.
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Originally posted by LondonRingRules View Post** Interesting that you used Ali as an example as a "side note" to bolster your argument that Walcott was robbed.
Difference between Ali and Louis is Louis only has a couple of controversies and settled things with timely rematches. Walcott got an immediate rematch and all the judges, the ref, and the judges were on notice. Go check out the result.
Most in the day accept that Young not only easily beat Ali, but he outclowned the clown as well. He only ducks under the ropes a few time, about as many times as Ali ropadopes, and I'm pretty sure it's illegal to adjust the ropes to looseness and then stick your head 2' outside the natural perimeter of the ring to paraphrase you.
Ali benefits from every single one of many controversies throughout his career, so you need find a better example to bolster your hyperventilating claim of robbery which is thrown out after every decision these days. Casual fans don't know the first thing about how boxing is scored on top of the monthly outrages like the Cintron/Martinez result last week were nobody in the ring knows whats going on for 3 min in the middle of the fight.
DKing made a fortune on robberies, but getting back to topic, Walcott was a fine tricky journeyman type fighter who proves his mettle in a classic series with Charles, Louis, and Rocky. No matter the opinions of muddled moderns, it was one of the most storied eras in history, but you have to accept on boxing forums that some may disagree.
Walcott damaged his reputation with his botch of the Liston/Clay rematch and I seem to recall a nasty patch of NJ politics when he was athletic director but in general he's still remembered fondly. Ibro ranks him 16th alltime which is pretty good considering the competition. A classic American example of grit and perseverance. He actually first makes his name with the Louis "robbery."
No better class of fighter to get "robbed" against than Joe Louis my friend and I imagine JJ knew it.
And I don't cry robbery after every decision, maybe you should check out my posts more often, in fact I don't cry robbery over many fights at all.Last edited by Silencers; 02-18-2009, 09:47 AM.
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very very good fighter, robbed against louis in '47 and had an epic rivalry with charles, heavyweight champ at age 37
i can see how he paved the way for guys like toney and floyd with his nice rolling defence and accurate countershots, hes definitely underrated
ezzard charles was a superb fighter also....
i highly recommend watching some walcott if you are a toney or floyd fan, toney himself has said he learnt a lot watching jersey joe
Underrated? You mean overrated just to make it seem like Marciano fought somebody. Louis was past his prime when Walcott fought him even though Walcott was probably past his best too. Walcott lost 15 or so times in his career and was knocked out 6 or 7 times which means he had a glass chin ( I seen people say Shannon Briggs a guy who was knocked out only twice had a glass chin, Norton only 3 times, Michael Moorer and Tommy Morrison 3 times so the last time i checked 6 is more than 3 or 2 so Walcott had a horrible chin then.) Noting was special about Walcott and if he never faced Marciano nobody would be talking about him to build up the level of opponents Marciano fought.
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Originally posted by Proud American View Postvery very good fighter, robbed against louis in '47 and had an epic rivalry with charles, heavyweight champ at age 37
i can see how he paved the way for guys like toney and floyd with his nice rolling defence and accurate countershots, hes definitely underrated
ezzard charles was a superb fighter also....
i highly recommend watching some walcott if you are a toney or floyd fan, toney himself has said he learnt a lot watching jersey joe
Underrated? You mean overrated just to make it seem like Marciano fought somebody. Louis was past his prime when Walcott fought him even though Walcott was probably past his best too. Walcott lost 15 or so times in his career and was knocked out 6 or 7 times which means he had a glass chin ( I seen people say Shannon Briggs a guy who was knocked out only twice had a glass chin, Norton only 3 times, Michael Moorer and Tommy Morrison 3 times so the last time i checked 6 is more than 3 or 2 so Walcott had a horrible chin then.) Noting was special about Walcott and if he never faced Marciano nobody would be talking about him to build up the level of opponents Marciano fought.
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All this talk of Jersey Joe recently made me watch more of him, he was a great fighter and was pulling some great moves in the ring. He was definitely robbed against Louis. If he made it a habit to keep his hands up more often he would have been even better since he could outbox just about anybody.
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Originally posted by Proud American View Postvery very good fighter, robbed against louis in '47 and had an epic rivalry with charles, heavyweight champ at age 37
i can see how he paved the way for guys like toney and floyd with his nice rolling defence and accurate countershots, hes definitely underrated
ezzard charles was a superb fighter also....
i highly recommend watching some walcott if you are a toney or floyd fan, toney himself has said he learnt a lot watching jersey joe
Underrated? You mean overrated just to make it seem like Marciano fought somebody. Louis was past his prime when Walcott fought him even though Walcott was probably past his best too. Walcott lost 15 or so times in his career and was knocked out 6 or 7 times which means he had a glass chin ( I seen people say Shannon Briggs a guy who was knocked out only twice had a glass chin, Norton only 3 times, Michael Moorer and Tommy Morrison 3 times so the last time i checked 6 is more than 3 or 2 so Walcott had a horrible chin then.) Noting was special about Walcott and if he never faced Marciano nobody would be talking about him to build up the level of opponents Marciano fought.
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Originally posted by Proud American View PostUnderrated? You mean overrated just to make it seem like Marciano fought somebody. Louis was past his prime when Walcott fought him even though Walcott was probably past his best too. Walcott lost 15 or so times in his career and was knocked out 6 or 7 times which means he had a glass chin ( I seen people say Shannon Briggs a guy who was knocked out only twice had a glass chin, Norton only 3 times, Michael Moorer and Tommy Morrison 3 times so the last time i checked 6 is more than 3 or 2 so Walcott had a horrible chin then.) Noting was special about Walcott and if he never faced Marciano nobody would be talking about him to build up the level of opponents Marciano fought.Last edited by Kid McCoy; 03-03-2009, 02:24 PM.
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Originally posted by Proud American View Postvery very good fighter, robbed against louis in '47 and had an epic rivalry with charles, heavyweight champ at age 37
i can see how he paved the way for guys like toney and floyd with his nice rolling defence and accurate countershots, hes definitely underrated
ezzard charles was a superb fighter also....
i highly recommend watching some walcott if you are a toney or floyd fan, toney himself has said he learnt a lot watching jersey joe
Underrated? You mean overrated just to make it seem like Marciano fought somebody. Louis was past his prime when Walcott fought him even though Walcott was probably past his best too. Walcott lost 15 or so times in his career and was knocked out 6 or 7 times which means he had a glass chin ( I seen people say Shannon Briggs a guy who was knocked out only twice had a glass chin, Norton only 3 times, Michael Moorer and Tommy Morrison 3 times so the last time i checked 6 is more than 3 or 2 so Walcott had a horrible chin then.) Noting was special about Walcott and if he never faced Marciano nobody would be talking about him to build up the level of opponents Marciano fought.
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