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  • Poet682006
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    #21
    Originally posted by res
    Yeah I agree. If a post-prime Tyson could take Holyfield's fire power for 11 rounds Ali is not knocking out a prime Tyson.

    UD Ali.
    I have no problems with someone calling for an Ali stoppage, but an EARLY stoppage is probably unreasonable.

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      #22
      Originally posted by Squabbles94806
      That's a no brainer. Prime Ali would slaughter Prime Tyson. ESPN already went over this. Tyson has a hard time fighting tall bigger fighters with a jab. ALI definitely had a jab....a double jab nonetheless.
      I dunno about slaughter i think he would do well in the early rounds, but overall Muhammad Ali would be too good on his feet. His jab would be too much as would his mental mind games and his toughness.

      Mike Tyson's best bet would be go to the body while Muhammad Ali's on the ropes, and i still don't think he would have much effect on Muhammad Ali. Considering Muhammad Got pounded to the body constantly by Joe Frazier and nothing happened.

      Mike Tyson's concentration is what lets him down even in his prime against Jose Ribalta, he got sloppy and frustrated when he couldn't finish off Jose Ribalta early, and even against James Tillis, Tony Tucker, it shows aswell.

      Thats why Mike Tyson rarely has a KO in the 2nd half of a fight, because he gets sloppy and starts looking for the 1 punch KO. Instead of setting up his punches like he would do early on.

      Muhammad Ali is totally different his concentration is amazing, the way he studied George Foreman while being on the ropes was masterful to watch.

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        #23
        I don't give a damn what anyone says... You and I both know that the ref gave Buster a slow ass count to 15 and gave Tyson a quick count out. Tyson won that fight. The referee of the fight was a moron.

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          #24
          Originally posted by Squabbles94806
          ESPN already went over this.
          ** Oh, wowie zowie, espeons has spoken and minions of opinions and other assorted orifices must bow, eh?

          Well, then, time to go to Ibro where Harry Greb beats Ali because he's greater than Ali and whipped every heavy that would fight him and Joe Louis whoops the both. Question already been sorted for those who like their tenderloins prechewed and their escargot gently pregummed.

          For the rest of us, my heavens to the gods of splotto, Ali is one of the most beatable champions in the history of the sport through out his career. Had that been 19 yr old Tyson in the ring instead of Sonny Banks, Ali might have crashed the mothership on the dark side of the moon before Pink Floyd.

          Going up through the ranks from Doug Jones, Cooper, Mildenberger, comeback fiascos aplenty, you could plug any similar aged great in those fights and Ali could well be beaten. Norton owned him outright in spite of what the record shows.

          Oh, wow, you say Tyson got beat too? Duhhhh! Means you got a fight that anyone can win on their day. Youth favors Tyson and experience favors Ali over time.

          Be great fights unless you like your tenderloin prechewed and escargot pregummed and your beer lite.

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            #25
            Originally posted by CDodaro
            I don't give a damn what anyone says... You and I both know that the ref gave Buster a slow ass count to 15 and gave Tyson a quick count out. Tyson won that fight. The referee of the fight was a moron.
            This is the same tired nut-hugger's excuse that gets recycled over and over again. Next post you'll be bitching about headbutts in the first Holyfield fight or maybe how unfair it was for the ref to keep letting Lennox get away with punching Mike in the face. Why don't you drink some more Tyson brand KoolAid and wash it down with with a big cup of STFU until you get some new material.

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              #26
              First off.. I don't nut hug any one... If you watch boxing you can clearly see what happened in that fight. Yeah Buster won with the help of the referee because he was clearly knocked the **** out! Just go back and rewatch the footage and count how many seconds that referee wastes. I could give a **** about the Holyfield fight. Holyfield needs to retire. Lennox Lewis beat the hell out of Mike Tyson no excuses.

              This is what I have to say to the poster above.

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                #27
                Originally posted by CDodaro
                First off.. I don't nut hug any one....
                Then why do you have a hammerlock on Tyson's gonads?

                Originally posted by CDodaro
                If you watch boxing you can clearly see what happened in that fight. Yeah Buster won with the help of the referee because he was clearly knocked the **** out! Just go back and rewatch the footage and count how many seconds that referee wastes.
                Junior, I've probably watched that fight more times than you've watched total fights. If YOU'VE seen the fight even once without watching it through a KoolAid induced stupor you'd have seen Buster watching the ref's count and getting up at the appropriate time. At NO time was he rendered senseless (unlike you) and could have risen at any point. He was in no way, shape, or form "knocked the **** out". Tyson, on the other hand, was attempting to perform oral sex on his mouth-piece backwards and upside down and clearly didn't know where he was, who he was, or who that mean man was that just beat the **** out of him. If I was the ref and saw him doing like that I would have stopped the fight EVEN IF HE HADN'T GONE DOWN and wouldn't have bothered with a standing eight.

                Now, stop giving your hero blow-jobs and get a clue about boxing.

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                  #28
                  I don't know about that one. My boxing collection is pretty deep.

                  It seems you got your mouth wrapped around ali's nuts.


                  Mike Tyson = 50-6
                  Muhammad Ali = 56-5

                  Ali had six more fights than Tyson and one less loss than him.
                  Yes Ali fought the tougher fights. 12+ 15 round fights.
                  Ali would take punishment to the body round after round
                  Tyson would knock opponents out within the first 3 rounds
                  Two of the greatest heavyweights to ever step in the ring.

                  Like I said before this fight can go either way.
                  I see it being a trilogy
                  Fight Night Round 4 is the only way this fight can happen. It is truly The Dream Match and i'm not talking about the ****ty fight between De La Hoya and Pacman.

                  Tyson is one of the most dangerous fighters on the inside
                  Ali is one of the most dangerous fighters on the outside from a distance

                  This thread is about Prime Ali vs. Prime Tyson

                  Not about who's nuthugging.

                  You should get a clue about boxing rather than arguing like a damn kid.

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by CDodaro
                    I don't know about that one. My boxing collection is pretty deep.
                    Then you need to roll yourself over to the video download forum and compare your collection to mine.

                    Originally posted by CDodaro
                    It seems you got your mouth wrapped around ali's nuts.
                    Ali isn't even my favorite Heavyweight, Joe Louis is. I also have a fondness fore Larry Holmes and Sonny Liston.

                    Originally posted by CDodaro
                    Mike Tyson = 50-6
                    Muhammad Ali = 56-5

                    Ali had six more fights than Tyson and one less loss than him.
                    Yes Ali fought the tougher fights. 12+ 15 round fights.
                    Ali would take punishment to the body round after round
                    Tyson would knock opponents out within the first 3 rounds
                    Two of the greatest heavyweights to ever step in the ring.
                    At what point in a fight a fighters gets his KOs or if he even gets a KO at all is irrelivent to determining a fighter's greatness.

                    Originally posted by CDodaro
                    Like I said before this fight can go either way.
                    I see it being a trilogy
                    Fight Night Round 4 is the only way this fight can happen. It is truly The Dream Match and i'm not talking about the ****ty fight between De La Hoya and Pacman.
                    If that ****ty little VIDEO GAME is the best you can do for a fight simulator it's no wonder you have perspective problems.

                    Originally posted by CDodaro
                    Tyson is one of the most dangerous fighters on the inside
                    No he wasn't. Tyson didn't like to fight on the inside and would tie his man up when he got there. Tyson preffered to fight at mid-range where he could get maximum leverage into his punches. If you have really watched Tyson you would know that.

                    Originally posted by CDodaro
                    This thread is about Prime Ali vs. Prime Tyson

                    Not about who's nuthugging.
                    If you make nuthugging posts (such as your first) you turn into a thread about nuthugging.

                    Originally posted by CDodaro
                    You should get a clue about boxing rather than arguing like a damn kid.
                    Considering I've been watching boxing since before you were born I think I've discovered more than a few clues that have eluded you Junior. Furthermore, if you are going to make posts like a juvenile, nutt-hugging, little fan-boi then you can expect me to respond in a manner that you will understand.

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by them_apples
                      If Wladmir Klitschko had a fight with Tyson in 88' I would bet my life he would look like just another stepping stone.

                      No doubt - and I despise Tyson.

                      As for Tyson-Ali.. I see Tyson swinging at air for much of this fight, and getting peppered with jabs until he can barely see out of his swollen eyes. He might wobble Ali once or twice after landing some solid (i.e. lucky) blows, but a pissed-off Ali would eventually have his way as he did against great sluggers like Foreman, Shavers, Liston, etc.

                      I'm sure Tyson devotees would envision a much closer fight, but can anyone truly see him winning this thing? Ali had the edge in everything but power.

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