prime ali vs prime tyson

[StarshipTrooper]

LOL yer always ridin Tyson's nuts.

No he isn't. While there are plenty of Tyson nuthuggers on this site he isn't one of them. I thought he was at one time but since then he's shown to be a reasonable poster who's gotten my respect. While I personally think Ali performs better against Tyson than he does, he DOES have Ali winning after all.

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

how am I riding his nuts? i'm being logical about it. You are the one who's being delusional, you would probably pick Samuel Peter over Tyson.

Considering I picked Ali to win, yet I'm riding Tyson's nuts?

Once again you show your ******ity "Ali specialized in taking out power punchers (Foreman Shavers Liston Frazier, etc)" What are there only 2 types of boxers? Power punchers and runners? Thats what you are saying. Saying Ali specialized in beating oponents with a good punch, that's ****ing ******. Break it down a little more. You have Foreman and Liston, two heavy handed slower fighters, one of them likes to box, the other bullies and slugs. You have Frazier, a 204 lb Pressure fighter that primarily worked off one hand, who gave Ali lots of problems.

Yes, Frazier does have more heart than Tyson, but he was also a slower starter, you start slow, you finish fast. You start fast, you end slow.

I don't see what the problem is, we both agree Ali wins, but i think you're delusional reasons are pretty biased. Ali is going to win because of his toughness and durability, and his adaptability (he'd probably lean on Tyson).

****** to think Ali would just dance with Tyson, and ko him in 6, when he couldn't do it to a slower Frazier with a weaker chin.

ZOMG LOL

I think the reason Frazier was more successful against Ali then I think Tyson would be is two factors that Frazier had and Tyson did not: Terrific endurance that enabled him to wing punches just as ferociously in round 15 as in round 5; and a consistant, determined body attack that enabled him to slow down a fleet-footed opponent. Tyson COULD have had that type of body attack but never had the discipline to go to the body for extended periods: He would in spurts but always couldn't wait to get back to head-hunting. His endurance was also suspect, much like that of the young George Foreman: That's something Frazier NEVER had a problem with.

Poet

[them_apples]

I think the reason Frazier was more successful against Ali then I think Tyson would be is two factors that Frazier had and Tyson did not: Terrific endurance that enabled him to wing punches just as ferociously in round 15 as in round 5; and a consistant, determined body attack that enabled him to slow down a fleet-footed opponent. Tyson COULD have had that type of body attack but never had the discipline to go to the body for extended periods: He would in spurts but always couldn't wait to get back to head-hunting. His endurance was also suspect, much like that of the young George Foreman: That's something Frazier NEVER had a problem with.

Poet

I'm not disagreeing that Frazier would have more success against Ali than Tyson, I just find "Knighte" rather delusional in thinking Ali would stop Tyson in 6 rounds.

I pretty much see it this way, Tyson looking good and getting some success for about 4 rounds, the rest of the fight slowly developes into a hefty Ali UD12. I see Ali hurting Tyson perhaps near the end but i do not see him stopping him. Even way past his prime and eating massive shots Tyson showed the durability of his chin.

I get called a nuthugger for even giving Tyson a chance against anyone, It seems like every hater thinks Tyson would crack mentally under anyones pressure (even Chris Aereola), and still fail to recognize the man did unify 3 belts and destroyed all the top competition of the 80's.

If Wladmir Klitschko had a fight with Tyson in 88' I would bet my life he would look like just another stepping stone.

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how am I riding his nuts? i'm being logical about it. You are the one who's being delusional, you would probably pick Samuel Peter over Tyson.

Considering I picked Ali to win, yet I'm riding Tyson's nuts?

Once again you show your ******ity "Ali specialized in taking out power punchers (Foreman Shavers Liston Frazier, etc)" What are there only 2 types of boxers? Power punchers and runners? Thats what you are saying. Saying Ali specialized in beating oponents with a good punch, that's ****ing ******. Break it down a little more. You have Foreman and Liston, two heavy handed slower fighters, one of them likes to box, the other bullies and slugs. You have Frazier, a 204 lb Pressure fighter that primarily worked off one hand, who gave Ali lots of problems.

Yes, Frazier does have more heart than Tyson, but he was also a slower starter, you start slow, you finish fast. You start fast, you end slow.

I don't see what the problem is, we both agree Ali wins, but i think you're delusional reasons are pretty biased. Ali is going to win because of his toughness and durability, and his adaptability (he'd probably lean on Tyson).

****** to think Ali would just dance with Tyson, and ko him in 6, when he couldn't do it to a slower Frazier with a weaker chin.

ZOMG LOL

Yeah I agree. If a post-prime Tyson could take Holyfield's fire power for 11 rounds Ali is not knocking out a prime Tyson.

UD Ali.

[jjones10591]

i would do anything to see that fight it would be amazing

[KostyaTszyu44]

ali would outbox him, dance away, lean on him, fire fast peppering combos into his face, probably taunt him as well, tyson would crumble and get stopped in the late round or possibly quit ....or a comfortable UD for ali

however tyson was very explosive early in a fight so if he wobbled, troubled or even dropped ali before round 5-6 i wouldnt be suprised

[-Lowkey-]

prime tyson loses to just about any great heavy weight he is far from great himself and he is the most overrated boxer in the history of the sport

tyson couldnt beat the best of his era even if he fought them in his prime u know the tyson in his 20s the unstoppable version that got beat by buster douglas lol well yeah prime for prime he loses to lewis, holyfield i would also pic bowe over him

and to the guy that said that frazier was weaker and not as strong as tyson? wtf do u base this on? watchs round 14 of ali frazier 3 do u think tyson would of still been on his feet? do u think tyson would of pleaded with his corner for the fight to carry on with no sight in both eyes? mean while a battered ali pleaded with his corner to stop the fight

[Burning Desire]

It would look like James Tillis vs Mike Tyson except Muhammad Ali would be much more effective. And would win by atleast 3 rounds over 12 rounds.

[Squabbles94806]

That's a no brainer. Prime Ali would slaughter Prime Tyson. ESPN already went over this. Tyson has a hard time fighting tall bigger fighters with a jab. ALI definitely had a jab....a double jab nonetheless.

[StarshipTrooper]

I'm not disagreeing that Frazier would have more success against Ali than Tyson, I just find "Knighte" rather delusional in thinking Ali would stop Tyson in 6 rounds.

I pretty much see it this way, Tyson looking good and getting some success for about 4 rounds, the rest of the fight slowly developes into a hefty Ali UD12. I see Ali hurting Tyson perhaps near the end but i do not see him stopping him. Even way past his prime and eating massive shots Tyson showed the durability of his chin.

And that's a reasonable scenario. People forget Ali wasn't a big puncher and KOed most opponents through an accumulation of punches or cuts and swelling. Accumulating punches takes time and would indicate a stoppage sometime during the second half of the fight not a relatively quick stoppage. Cuts and swelling is chancier and unless the opponent was a known bleeder it just doesn't make sense to predict early stoppage via that route.

I get called a nuthugger for even giving Tyson a chance against anyone, It seems like every hater thinks Tyson would crack mentally under anyones pressure (even Chris Aereola), and still fail to recognize the man did unify 3 belts and destroyed all the top competition of the 80's.

I certainly have my criticisms of Tyson but I DO get offended when people make out he was some kind of bum.

If Wladmir Klitschko had a fight with Tyson in 88' I would bet my life he would look like just another stepping stone.

LOL with Wlad's chin stepping-stone status might be generous!

Poet