Dempsey and Rocky stories, can anyone confirm?

[Terry A]

First of all i'm a huge Dempsey fan it's just i heard this and want to know if there is any credible proof or just rumours?

I heard before that Dempsey used to "break in" ******* who were going to work at brothels before they started turning tricks till they were used to it? anyone else heard this

Khmelnytsky,
Like you, I'm a huge Dempsey fan also. I have several books on Dempsey, plus loads of other source material, one of which you would probably love is "Tunney", by Jack Cavanaugh.
Dempsey married a **********, Maxine Cates. She was constantly unfaithful to Jack, but he was totally smitten by her and stayed with her despite her infidilty. She was 14 years older than Dempsey. After divorcing her, he later remarried a couple times.

*I NEVER read or heard anything about him breaking in girls before they went to work in brothrels. Frankly, I doubt it very seriously. Dempsey was always looking for someone to love him, not to just screw him. If you've read the books about him, you get the picture that this would not be in character for him.

One ex-champ that was supposed to be really into sex was Sonny Liston. Read "The Devil & Sonny Liston" by Nick Tosches.

[Bendigo]

The bit about Jack Johnson is true. I read about it in a biography which I used for a school project.

As for Jack Dempsey, all I know is he ducked Black fighters.

[Khmelnytsky]

i actually have a picture of dempsey and wills sitting at a table signing a contract

and if you hate Dempsey for avoiding the best black fighters (although i don't agree i think it was tex) then you should hate jack johnson with the same passion

[JAB5239]

[QUOTE=Bendigo;4373648]The bit about Jack Johnson is true. I read about it in a biography which I used for a school project.

As for Jack Dempsey, all I know is he ducked Black fighters.[/QUOTE]

This has been well documented, but I'll lay it out for you one more time. Dempsey twice signed to fight Harry Wills, the best black heavyweight of his era, only to have the govenor of New York veto the fight both times. He also fought blacks before becoming champ and routinely employed them for sparring. So just how did he avoid them?

[Bendigo]

[QUOTE=JAB5239;4374498]

The bit about Jack Johnson is true. I read about it in a biography which I used for a school project.

As for Jack Dempsey, all I know is he ducked Black fighters.[/QUOTE]

This has been well documented, but I'll lay it out for you one more time. Dempsey twice signed to fight Harry Wills, the best black heavyweight of his era, only to have the govenor of New York veto the fight both times. He also fought blacks before becoming champ and routinely employed them for sparring. So just how did he avoid them?

Ducked Black people in general.

[phallus]

Khmelnytsky,
Like you, I'm a huge Dempsey fan also. I have several books on Dempsey, plus loads of other source material, one of which you would probably love is "Tunney", by Jack Cavanaugh.
Dempsey married a **********, Maxine Cates. She was constantly unfaithful to Jack, but he was totally smitten by her and stayed with her despite her infidilty. She was 14 years older than Dempsey. After divorcing her, he later remarried a couple times.

*I NEVER read or heard anything about him breaking in girls before they went to work in brothrels. Frankly, I doubt it very seriously. Dempsey was always looking for someone to love him, not to just screw him. If you've read the books about him, you get the picture that this would not be in character for him.

One ex-champ that was supposed to be really into sex was Sonny Liston. Read "The Devil & Sonny Liston" by Nick Tosches.

i read somewhere that after dempsey became champ he was ****ing half of hollywood, but i don't think the ******* thing is true. marciano probably f.ucked around after he retired, if he'd been doing all those young girls with *****s he wouldn't have had time for training.

sugar ray robinson used to beat the hell out of his wife

[sleazyfellow]

[QUOTE=JAB5239;4374498]

The bit about Jack Johnson is true. I read about it in a biography which I used for a school project.

As for Jack Dempsey, all I know is he ducked Black fighters.[/QUOTE]

This has been well documented, but I'll lay it out for you one more time. Dempsey twice signed to fight Harry Wills, the best black heavyweight of his era, only to have the govenor of New York veto the fight both times. He also fought blacks before becoming champ and routinely employed them for sparring. So just how did he avoid them?

Sam Langford for one. Who knows what was going on at the time he was suppose to fight willis, he might of already knew the fight wasnt going to happen, and after the fights fell through he lost to tunney.

[Khmelnytsky]

i wouldn't bother trying to defend the Dempsey "ducking" black fighters thing, some of these posters seem like angry blacks who no matter what proof you offer up it won't change their mind

same way you can't convince me that that Slavs in the Soviet Union like Vysotsky (who twice beat and once ko'd the great Teofilo Stevenson) wouldn't of been able to compete with the heavys in the 60's 70's and 80's

Nikolai Korolev K.O.'s Louis inside 8 !!!! lol

[JAB5239]

[QUOTE=Bendigo;4374632]

Ducked Black people in general.

This makes no sense whatsoever. There is documented proof he fought blacks and signed to fight Wills twice. How is that ducking?

[JAB5239]

[QUOTE=sleazyfellow;4374848]

Sam Langford for one. Who knows what was going on at the time he was suppose to fight willis, he might of already knew the fight wasnt going to happen, and after the fights fell through he lost to tunney.

Yeah he ducked Langford, and Langford openly ducked Jim Jeffries. What are you going to read into that? Quit with the assumptions about how he "might" have known the fight wasn't going to happen and stick with the facts. Facts are he frought and sparred with colored fighters and tried to make the Wills fight.