Could Bernard Hopkins beat Marvin Hagler?

[them_apples]

It's hard to believe Poet is in his 40's

I don't have enough haters to make that list anything special, i'll probably get about 5-6 votes tops. The only people that hate me are the Joe Louis fans when I say George foreman would bust him up in 3.

If I was immature enough to make a Poet Hate poll, the list would be crammed.

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Hopkins spent practically his entire career at Middleweight as did Hagler. How does this translate into Hopkins being the "bigger" man?

Poet

Same day vs day before weigh in. Big difference. Hagler would have made 154 easy these days.

[StarshipTrooper]

Same day vs day before weigh in. Big difference. Hagler would have made 154 easy these days.

BUT! If Hopkins had to weigh in the same day..... I think you know what I'm driving at. If fought in Hagler's day Hopkins would have to make weight the same day as the fight; while if fought in Hopkins time Hagler would have the same opportunity to add weight after the day before weigh in as Hopkins would. These matchups presuppose the fighters will be opperating under the same rules.

Poet

[Dan...]

Hagler beats Bernard IMO. BHop is still very near the top of the pile in terms of all time MWs though IMO. Aside from Hagler and Monzon I can't think of too many others I would place above him.

[good_looking01]

Hagler would win this one. It wouldn't be easy or pretty but he would out work and out muscle Hopkins to a UD by 3-5points! IMO

[StarshipTrooper]

Hagler beats Bernard IMO. BHop is still very near the top of the pile in terms of all time MWs though IMO. Aside from Hagler and Monzon I can't think of too many others I would place above him.

Robinsons, Fitzsimmons, Burley, possibly Ketchal.

Poet

[LondonRingRules]

Same day vs day before weigh in. Big difference. Hagler would have made 154 easy these days.

** Poppy has shown up a few lbs below 160 as well, indicating he, like Marv, in a pinch could make 154 limits.

Poppy is taller, but he does not have a bigger frame than Marv. The gist of this thread born out of the masterclass Poppy pulled on an obvious off night Pavlik. May be up there with what ol Arch used to make routine back in his day, but also Poppy needed his best ever performance to beat Kelly

This begs the question, what the hay has Poppy been smokin' the rest of his career? The only other performance against a top, in shape fighter coming close is Tito who was obviously a smaller fighter moving up.

Not a Poppy fan, too whiny and dirty tricks for me, but I'm willing to give him his due as tough, savvy, talented, disciplined class of the middles of his era. Hagler fought in a tougher era and had the more storied career, yet Poppy did something Marv never did which is hang around long enough to reinvent himself.

Marv shouldn't be downgraded for not doing that, but it is a feather in Poppy career, which to this point had been less than Marv regardless of modern day statistical anomolies of more alphabet title fights.

Who was it laughing about any fight involving Marv being an easy fight? That's it, but I guess in a hypothetical matchup, we'd have to say the same about Poppy.

One factor that works for Marv is he has the better chin. I've seen Poppy hurt and down, though he recovers well. Marv also has more power against a more numerous cast of better competition than Poppy has shown.

It's be a great fight, part technical, part brawling, a whole lotta adjusting tactics to see who breaks who down. I favor Marv. His only real weakness was an insecurity over his boxing prowess where he tended to give away rounds trying to prove he could beat a top boxer by boxing. Seeing that Poppy ain't a pure boxer type, that wouldn't be a factor in this fight.

Hagler wins. Much more dangerous, durable, and consistent fighter.

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To London and Poet, I don't belive Hopkins and Hagler would have competed in the same class under the same rules. We will have to disagree on that one.

[them_apples]

To London and Poet, I don't belive Hopkins and Hagler would have competed in the same class under the same rules. We will have to disagree on that one.

Hagler was short but he was stocky, he never came in looking like he could lose a few pounds, he was always ripped and muscular..I really can't see him dropping 154..

[TheGreatA]

I think Hopkins was around 156 lbs for the DLH and Trinidad fights. He could've made 154 in my opinion.