More evidence the Liston/Ali fights were rigged...

[Davros?]

What people don't remember is that Liston did not stay down, but that he got up. He would later state that when he went down, he was listening for a count, "that's the first thing you do. But Walcott never gave me one." This is because Walcott was too busy trying to get Ali to a neutral corner. So Liston eventually got up, but the editor of Ring magazine (who had no authority at this fight), Nat Fleischer, told Walcott to stop the fight because it was over. To quote Liston: "I was on my feet, fighting, when they stopped it. Look at the movies."

Now, in truth, how long Liston was actually on the canvas is irrelevant. The count doesn't start until the other fighter goes to a neutral corner (see Dempsey-Tunney 2). So it appears that Walcott was the world's worst ref.

That's not to say the fights weren't fixed, but I watched an interview with Geraldine Liston in which she stated that if Sonny took a dive, that she never saw any of the money.

Walcott was always a **** ref, I have seen several other fights he did and he never seemed to have full control.

[Kid McCoy]

Wow, another person who thinks Tyson would beat Ali? I didnt know that there were so many of you out there. We could argue this all day and night for the next 50 years. If you had a competition between all the Heavyweight champions ever, Ali would win. Louis never would've caught Ali, he couldn't catch Billy Conn until Conn decided to go for the knockout. Tyson would have been mentally destroyed before he even set foot in the ring from Ali's taunting, would've been out of energy in 4 rounds trying to catch Ali, and would have gotten himself disqualified out of sheer frustration. Lennox wouldn't even have signed for the fight until Ali was nearing 40 anyway, and the other heavyweights of the '90s like Bowe, and Holyfield would have been beaten too.

Ali was the definition of a champion, the Greatest fighter to ever step into the ring, the reason thousands of young men turned to boxing to become fighters just like him. Say what you want but always remember....

Muhammad Ali = The Greatest!!!

While I rate Ali highly, this sort of thing is ludicrous. Come on, best fighter ever in any division? Better than Greb, Langford, Duran, Pep, the two Sugar Rays? Even Ali admitted that Robinson was the best ever. Joe Louis could never catch Ali? Henry Cooper, Sonny Banks, Doug Jones, George Chuvalo and Ernie Terrell certainly caught him, and none of them had anything on Louis. To suggest that other great heavyweights wouldn't even have an iota of a chance of beating him is ridiculous.