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For all of you "conspiracy theorists" out there - and, by the way, there ARE no conspiracies, Watergate never happened, wink-wink - Zora Folley, whom Muhammad Ali continually ducked until Folley was well past his prime at age 35, died under very mysterious circumstances - just like Sonny Liston.
Folley allegedly got into a playful wrestling match near a motel pool in Chandler, Arizona, with a close friend. Supposedly, this "friend" eventually threw Folley into the pool, which resulted in Folley hitting his head on the side of the pool and drowning. The official autopsy report on Zora Folley has been conveniently "misplaced", but at least two witnesses at the scene of the "accident", reported seeing a deep hole in the top of Folley's head, and two blunt-force trauma injuries on the side of his head...the first question that the astute reader might ask himself, is, "Why didn't the man who 'playfully pushed him in', come to Folley's rescue before he DROWNED? And if he fell into the pool, why were there so many WOUNDS on his head?"
Yet Chandler AZ officials ruled Folley's death to be accidental.
This is especially interesting in light of the way that Sonny Liston allegedly died...instead of dying by way of a mysterious "accident", most people steadfastly believe that Sonny died by way of a mysterious "heroin overdose" (curious, since he was deathly afraid of needles). It was universally known by anyone who ever knew Sonny Liston that he was scared to death of needles. Even paid mainstream media lackey Burt Sugar knows this.
The "official" autopsy report said that Liston died of "natural causes." Only TRACE amounts of codeine and morphine were found in his system. Yet, till this very day, most people think Liston was a junkie who died of a heroin overdose. If you examine all the evidence about this subject, the whole thing becomes more and more curious. The problem most of you are having, is, you haven't examined that evidence.
I made the initial post in this series, "The Liston/Ali fight were fixed...", to not-so-subtly point out that what we, as sports enthusiasts, see on TV, is not always what is actually transpiring. Especially when it comes to boxing. I have zero doubt that both Liston/Ali fights were fixed, but I came to that conclusion after first carefully considering all the evidence on the subject, and then making up my own mind. Most of you who strongly disagree, have not considered all the evidence - and therefore, your minds have already been made up for you. (Just like most of you think Liston died of a "heroin overdose", when the "official" cause of death was "natural causes". In my opinion, the "official" version of how Sonny Liston died is absolute bull****, but I digress... )
If a person has a strong opinion about anything, and they've only considered the evidence on one side of the fence, their mind has already been made up for them. And that is simple logic - it's not something that can be argued with.
Someone, in the initial thread I started about this topic, said that Sonny Liston's wife maintained that Sonny had admitted to her that Sonny just wasn't in shape for either fight with Ali, and that was the reason he lost. (Or words to that effect - I don't spend my time trying to provide accurate quotes provided by the ill-informed.)
This is the mainstream media's cover story, and it is entirely fictional. Geraldine Liston, Sonny's wife, has STEADFASTLY maintained, to all who would listen (unless she was being bullied into lying about it, for the mainstream media), that Sonny Liston told her repeatedly that both fights with Ali were fixed. In her exact words, which she has repeated over and over to no avail, to anyone who would really LISTEN, "Sonny dove for Ali."
During the first Liston fight, Ali complained that something had gotten into his eyes, and was blinding him. Angelo Dundee said later that "Liston tried to blind my fighter". And that was all so very convenient - it laid the perfect cover for the perfect fix. "If the fight was fixed for Ali," the Doubting Thomas would say, "Why was there something on Liston's gloves that allegedly got in Ali's eyes, and BLINDED him." (The key word there is "allegedly".)
Many people with inside knowledge of this first fight, have claimed that Ali, himself, was in on the fix. And when you think about it, it makes sense, doesn't it.
Ali, whining and pawing at his eyes (like some schmuck on WWE who gets hit with a chair; same kind of thing here, different execution), running around the ring in mock fear; Liston, never quite landing that fearsome right hand, never even THROWING it, making it look good, very good, all the way home; knowing that if he lands a solid punch, in just the right place, with just a little too much pounds-per-square-inch force, Ali might not get up...and the Mob might send Liston to the bottom of the river. Sonny never...quite...could...reach Ali...while Ali was allegedly "blinded". Mm-hmm. Impressive theater there. Perfect cover to keep the suckers watching rigged fights.
Whether or not Ali was actually in on the fix is irrelevant. As long as Liston knew that he had to take a dive, whatever Ali knew didn't matter. Sure, liniment, or some other substance, could have been put on Liston's gloves, and yes, it could have gotten into Ali's eyes, and yes, Ali might actually have been temporarily blinded.
But that doesn't mean the fight wasn't fixed.
All that mattered was what Liston knew.
And the whole "my fighter was blinded" story, laid the perfect cover for the fix.
The wrestling comparison is more appropriate than many of you might realize, because Muhammad Ali has often been quoted as saying that he patterned his entire sports persona after the most famous wrestler of the time, Gorgeous George...Gorgeous George's modus operandi was to tell the world that he was the greatest, that he was beautiful, and that no one could ever beat him - it made everybody pay attention to Gorgeous George, and you wound up either loving him or hating him...but love him or hate him, once you were hooked, you watched his wrestling matches and helped make Gorgeous George, and his "sport", richer.
Ali fell in love with Gorgeous George, and his entire act - and copied it almost to the letter.
And he became a very rich man and a boxing "icon" as a result.
We can never really quite know for sure what's going on in the world of boxing, at any given moment. But the same holds true for the events we witness unfolding in the mainstream media, anywhere in the world, at any given time.
Until we start digging for the facts.
And when we find the truth, it either makes us run away from it in fear - or it changes our entire world view forever.
Here is an interesting quote, which might make you think twice about that six-inch "phantom punch" that allegedly knocked out Sonny Liston in the second fight with Ali -
“Ali? Couldn’t bust a g****. Frazier knocked me out. Ali? He TKO’d me—not with punches because the man couldn’t bust a g****. He had me down so many times because of his weight. Only reason I didn’t get back up was because my trainer was yelling at me to stay down. I had to defend my title in two months.” - Bob Foster, quoted at www.bobfosterboxing.com/commentary.html
If you really think about what Bob Foster is saying here, he is saying that he stayed down on the advice of his trainer after Ali "knocked him down" for the seventh time in their eight-round fight.
Gee, do you think "staying down", instead of getting back up, when you are perfectly capable of it, is an example of a shady fight? Nah. Happened all the time back then. (Especially in Ali's fights.) Still happens today. One of the greatest examples of a person's inability to see the truth is when they blindly proclaim, "They don't do that anymore." Hell yes they still do it. They have merely convinced you that whatever was done, it was only done "way back then".
Now...once again...think of what Liston did in the second fight with Ali, rolling around on the canvas after that six-inch phantom punch put him down. Think about what Bob Foster says on his own website, in his very own words, about how Foster stayed down on the advice of his trainer.
Here's a quote from Ali immediately after the Bob Foster fight:
“I’ve got cut and bruises alongside my left eye and that’s something that no other professional fighter has been able to do to me. Foster gave me trouble all through the fight. I didn’t know a man could land so many left jabs.”
If you locked Sonny Liston and Muhammad Ali inside a room, and told them to fight to the death, we all know who would walk out of that room.
Muhammad Ali couldn't bust a g****, according to Bob Foster - a man who laid on the canvas on the advice of his trainer after being shoved around by the heavier Ali for eight rounds. Ali lost to a much-lighter Doug Jones, according to many witnesses of that fight. Henry Cooper, Joe Frazier, Sonny Banks, Chuck Wepner - all of them "busted a g****" and put "The Greatest" down on his backside.
So the question now is, how many of Ali's fights were riggged?
We'll never know for sure.
But the ones with Liston were. And all you have to do is look in the right places, and you can figure that one out all by yourself. (As if the videotape of the second Liston/Ali fight wasn't enough to begin with - wink.)
Class dismissed.
"All truth goes through three stages. First it is ridiculed. Then it is violently opposed. Finally, it is accepted as self-evident." -Arthur Schoepenhouer
Folley allegedly got into a playful wrestling match near a motel pool in Chandler, Arizona, with a close friend. Supposedly, this "friend" eventually threw Folley into the pool, which resulted in Folley hitting his head on the side of the pool and drowning. The official autopsy report on Zora Folley has been conveniently "misplaced", but at least two witnesses at the scene of the "accident", reported seeing a deep hole in the top of Folley's head, and two blunt-force trauma injuries on the side of his head...the first question that the astute reader might ask himself, is, "Why didn't the man who 'playfully pushed him in', come to Folley's rescue before he DROWNED? And if he fell into the pool, why were there so many WOUNDS on his head?"
Yet Chandler AZ officials ruled Folley's death to be accidental.
This is especially interesting in light of the way that Sonny Liston allegedly died...instead of dying by way of a mysterious "accident", most people steadfastly believe that Sonny died by way of a mysterious "heroin overdose" (curious, since he was deathly afraid of needles). It was universally known by anyone who ever knew Sonny Liston that he was scared to death of needles. Even paid mainstream media lackey Burt Sugar knows this.
The "official" autopsy report said that Liston died of "natural causes." Only TRACE amounts of codeine and morphine were found in his system. Yet, till this very day, most people think Liston was a junkie who died of a heroin overdose. If you examine all the evidence about this subject, the whole thing becomes more and more curious. The problem most of you are having, is, you haven't examined that evidence.
I made the initial post in this series, "The Liston/Ali fight were fixed...", to not-so-subtly point out that what we, as sports enthusiasts, see on TV, is not always what is actually transpiring. Especially when it comes to boxing. I have zero doubt that both Liston/Ali fights were fixed, but I came to that conclusion after first carefully considering all the evidence on the subject, and then making up my own mind. Most of you who strongly disagree, have not considered all the evidence - and therefore, your minds have already been made up for you. (Just like most of you think Liston died of a "heroin overdose", when the "official" cause of death was "natural causes". In my opinion, the "official" version of how Sonny Liston died is absolute bull****, but I digress... )
If a person has a strong opinion about anything, and they've only considered the evidence on one side of the fence, their mind has already been made up for them. And that is simple logic - it's not something that can be argued with.
Someone, in the initial thread I started about this topic, said that Sonny Liston's wife maintained that Sonny had admitted to her that Sonny just wasn't in shape for either fight with Ali, and that was the reason he lost. (Or words to that effect - I don't spend my time trying to provide accurate quotes provided by the ill-informed.)
This is the mainstream media's cover story, and it is entirely fictional. Geraldine Liston, Sonny's wife, has STEADFASTLY maintained, to all who would listen (unless she was being bullied into lying about it, for the mainstream media), that Sonny Liston told her repeatedly that both fights with Ali were fixed. In her exact words, which she has repeated over and over to no avail, to anyone who would really LISTEN, "Sonny dove for Ali."
During the first Liston fight, Ali complained that something had gotten into his eyes, and was blinding him. Angelo Dundee said later that "Liston tried to blind my fighter". And that was all so very convenient - it laid the perfect cover for the perfect fix. "If the fight was fixed for Ali," the Doubting Thomas would say, "Why was there something on Liston's gloves that allegedly got in Ali's eyes, and BLINDED him." (The key word there is "allegedly".)
Many people with inside knowledge of this first fight, have claimed that Ali, himself, was in on the fix. And when you think about it, it makes sense, doesn't it.
Ali, whining and pawing at his eyes (like some schmuck on WWE who gets hit with a chair; same kind of thing here, different execution), running around the ring in mock fear; Liston, never quite landing that fearsome right hand, never even THROWING it, making it look good, very good, all the way home; knowing that if he lands a solid punch, in just the right place, with just a little too much pounds-per-square-inch force, Ali might not get up...and the Mob might send Liston to the bottom of the river. Sonny never...quite...could...reach Ali...while Ali was allegedly "blinded". Mm-hmm. Impressive theater there. Perfect cover to keep the suckers watching rigged fights.
Whether or not Ali was actually in on the fix is irrelevant. As long as Liston knew that he had to take a dive, whatever Ali knew didn't matter. Sure, liniment, or some other substance, could have been put on Liston's gloves, and yes, it could have gotten into Ali's eyes, and yes, Ali might actually have been temporarily blinded.
But that doesn't mean the fight wasn't fixed.
All that mattered was what Liston knew.
And the whole "my fighter was blinded" story, laid the perfect cover for the fix.
The wrestling comparison is more appropriate than many of you might realize, because Muhammad Ali has often been quoted as saying that he patterned his entire sports persona after the most famous wrestler of the time, Gorgeous George...Gorgeous George's modus operandi was to tell the world that he was the greatest, that he was beautiful, and that no one could ever beat him - it made everybody pay attention to Gorgeous George, and you wound up either loving him or hating him...but love him or hate him, once you were hooked, you watched his wrestling matches and helped make Gorgeous George, and his "sport", richer.
Ali fell in love with Gorgeous George, and his entire act - and copied it almost to the letter.
And he became a very rich man and a boxing "icon" as a result.
We can never really quite know for sure what's going on in the world of boxing, at any given moment. But the same holds true for the events we witness unfolding in the mainstream media, anywhere in the world, at any given time.
Until we start digging for the facts.
And when we find the truth, it either makes us run away from it in fear - or it changes our entire world view forever.
Here is an interesting quote, which might make you think twice about that six-inch "phantom punch" that allegedly knocked out Sonny Liston in the second fight with Ali -
“Ali? Couldn’t bust a g****. Frazier knocked me out. Ali? He TKO’d me—not with punches because the man couldn’t bust a g****. He had me down so many times because of his weight. Only reason I didn’t get back up was because my trainer was yelling at me to stay down. I had to defend my title in two months.” - Bob Foster, quoted at www.bobfosterboxing.com/commentary.html
If you really think about what Bob Foster is saying here, he is saying that he stayed down on the advice of his trainer after Ali "knocked him down" for the seventh time in their eight-round fight.
Gee, do you think "staying down", instead of getting back up, when you are perfectly capable of it, is an example of a shady fight? Nah. Happened all the time back then. (Especially in Ali's fights.) Still happens today. One of the greatest examples of a person's inability to see the truth is when they blindly proclaim, "They don't do that anymore." Hell yes they still do it. They have merely convinced you that whatever was done, it was only done "way back then".
Now...once again...think of what Liston did in the second fight with Ali, rolling around on the canvas after that six-inch phantom punch put him down. Think about what Bob Foster says on his own website, in his very own words, about how Foster stayed down on the advice of his trainer.
Here's a quote from Ali immediately after the Bob Foster fight:
“I’ve got cut and bruises alongside my left eye and that’s something that no other professional fighter has been able to do to me. Foster gave me trouble all through the fight. I didn’t know a man could land so many left jabs.”
If you locked Sonny Liston and Muhammad Ali inside a room, and told them to fight to the death, we all know who would walk out of that room.
Muhammad Ali couldn't bust a g****, according to Bob Foster - a man who laid on the canvas on the advice of his trainer after being shoved around by the heavier Ali for eight rounds. Ali lost to a much-lighter Doug Jones, according to many witnesses of that fight. Henry Cooper, Joe Frazier, Sonny Banks, Chuck Wepner - all of them "busted a g****" and put "The Greatest" down on his backside.
So the question now is, how many of Ali's fights were riggged?
We'll never know for sure.
But the ones with Liston were. And all you have to do is look in the right places, and you can figure that one out all by yourself. (As if the videotape of the second Liston/Ali fight wasn't enough to begin with - wink.)
Class dismissed.
"All truth goes through three stages. First it is ridiculed. Then it is violently opposed. Finally, it is accepted as self-evident." -Arthur Schoepenhouer
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