Insightfull:New Leonard/Hagler Book Out!

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everyone didnt have leonard winning.. **** leonard's own wife thought he lost the fight..

If you where there at the time, Most thought Leonard won at the time. The hoopla of controversy surrounding the fight, did not start until Hagler whinned about some weak attempt...."leonard told me himself I won", That is a joke... You did not have newspapers, or magazines etc.. proclaiming Hagler was robbed, like you did when whitacker was robbed vs Chavez, or even hearns was robbed vs Leonard in the 2nd fight.

I do not mean every single person in the world saw this fight and had Hagler winning, my point is that from the 1 minutes rest period between rounds 11 and twelve through out the final round and during and after the decision the arena the annoncers the referee himself,,,etc.. a major major majority of them where thinking ray won. Not one person that night mentioned they thought Hagler won or where upset with the decision.

The hoopla started after when a week later on HBO sports when larry merchant aired the SRL interview and it was then mentioned mainstreem that Hagler said Leonard told him he beat him. Then all the madness since has started.

The referee Richard Steele summed it up. He said that night I thought leonard won handily, but it gets closer and closer everytime i see the fight.

[JAB5239]

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If you where there at the time, Most thought Leonard won at the time. The hoopla of controversy surrounding the fight, did not start until Hagler whinned about some weak attempt...."leonard told me himself I won", That is a joke... You did not have newspapers, or magazines etc.. proclaiming Hagler was robbed, like you did when whitacker was robbed vs Chavez, or even hearns was robbed vs Leonard in the 2nd fight.

I do not mean every single person in the world saw this fight and had Hagler winning, my point is that from the 1 minutes rest period between rounds 11 and twelve through out the final round and during and after the decision the arena the annoncers the referee himself,,,etc.. a major major majority of them where thinking ray won. Not one person that night mentioned they thought Hagler won or where upset with the decision.

The hoopla started after when a week later on HBO sports when larry merchant aired the SRL interview and it was then mentioned mainstreem that Hagler said Leonard told him he beat him. Then all the madness since has started.

The referee Richard Steele summed it up. He said that night I thought leonard won handily, but it gets closer and closer everytime i see the fight.

I have never scored the fight. But as a fan, at the time, I had Hagler winning. Had him winning the next time I watched it too. But the more I watch it now, the more I lean towards Leonard in that fight. Funny how perceptions change over time.

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This is a arguement that has and will continue on forever. However, I ask you all this, as this is what I have done for those I argue with in person. I bring people over we turn on the action, and off the volume and get a pen and paper and score it.

I have never had one single person score it for hagler when they do it that way. Not one, I have had some have it a draw. These are die hard hagler fans as well. Most people simply do not score the fight on a 10 pt systmen, and thus are impacted more by loud later rounds than the borring early rounds. Got to keep in mind unless there is a 10-8 round the boring first round counts as much as that great 9th round they had.

Leoanrd clearly won the 1st 4 rounds. If anyone has that scored differntly then they simply were not going to score anything for Ray. After that all he had to do was win 3 of the lat 8 rounds, and I had it scored 7-5, almost every time I have scored it, and funny enough when those same guys saying hagler won, come over and we look at it and tally up there votes, 7-5 based on EFFECTIVE aggression, not simple aggression is the general score. Which is very close. However, most of the rounds where either clealry leonards or Haglers. I have heard the catcalls about leoanrd coming on at the end of rounds to still them, which is true....However, the big question that those who try to argue this point leave out is? What did hagler do in the 1st 2 minutes to win the round? Nothing is generally the answer.

[Kid McCoy]

I remember watching the fight live, and I felt Hagler won. I was down my local boxing club the next day, and everyone there thought Hagler was robbed. I've watched it since then and my view hasn't changed. It was close for sure, but Hagler got it imo. I had him winning 6-5-1.