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  • 3 weigh-ins on the day of the fight? Yep. It happened in this classic encounter.

    The great promoter Tex Rickard was about to start his illustrious promoting career with the staging of a fight between world lightweight champion Joe Gans and the famous Battling Nelson. The fight was to take place in the boomtown of Goldfield, Nevada.

    Nelson's manager Billy Nolan made every twist and turn to give his fighter the advantage.

    Of the purse of $33,500 Nelson demanded $22,500. The champion Joe Gans got $11K.

    The referee was to be George Siler who had been the ref. when Joe Gans threw a fight against Terry McGovern and he was prejudiced against blacks.

    The last demand was the weigh-in. Nolan wanted to take advantage of Joe Gans's trouble of making the weight. When Gans asked that the weighing-in time be set at noon, three hours before the fight, Nolan countered with some requests of his own. He won them all. The men would weigh in three times on Labor Day (the day of the fight): at noon, at 1:30 and 3 o'clock, ringtime. The boxers would weigh in wearing their ring togs—shoes and trunks. If Gans was a fraction of an ounce overweight at any of the three weighins, Nolan threatened, he would claim a forfeit.

    At noon the fighters weighed-in for the first time. The scales, set at 133 pounds, did not stir. It was the same story at the second weigh-in, at 1:30 p.m.

    Gans had taken extraordinary precautions to keep within the limit: He had shaved practically every hair off his head, face and body and wore no socks. He had even tied his ring shoes with thin strings instead of shoelaces.

    At 3 o'clock sharp, Gans stepped on the scales, and then Nelson, for the third time that day. Again the bar did not move.

    Just before the fight started, Gans was handed a telegram from his mother. It's last four words immediately became a part of the common glossary in America. The wire read:

    "JOE, THE EYES OF THE WORLD ARE ON YOU. EVERYBODY SAYS YOU OUGHT TO WIN. YOUNG PETER JACKSON WILL TELL ME THE NEWS AND YOU BRING HOME THE BACON."

    And so it was on labor-day sep. 3 1906 in Goldfield Nevada. The rest is history.

  • #2
    Originally posted by BatTheMan View Post
    The great promoter Tex Rickard was about to start his illustrious promoting career with the staging of a fight between world lightweight champion Joe Gans and the famous Battling Nelson. The fight was to take place in the boomtown of Goldfield, Nevada.

    Nelson's manager Billy Nolan made every twist and turn to give his fighter the advantage.

    Of the purse of $33,500 Nelson demanded $22,500. The champion Joe Gans got $11K.

    The referee was to be George Siler who had been the ref. when Joe Gans threw a fight against Terry McGovern and he was prejudiced against blacks.

    The last demand was the weigh-in. Nolan wanted to take advantage of Joe Gans's trouble of making the weight. When Gans asked that the weighing-in time be set at noon, three hours before the fight, Nolan countered with some requests of his own. He won them all. The men would weigh in three times on Labor Day (the day of the fight): at noon, at 1:30 and 3 o'clock, ringtime. The boxers would weigh in wearing their ring togs—shoes and trunks. If Gans was a fraction of an ounce overweight at any of the three weighins, Nolan threatened, he would claim a forfeit.

    At noon the fighters weighed-in for the first time. The scales, set at 133 pounds, did not stir. It was the same story at the second weigh-in, at 1:30 p.m.

    Gans had taken extraordinary precautions to keep within the limit: He had shaved practically every hair off his head, face and body and wore no socks. He had even tied his ring shoes with thin strings instead of shoelaces.

    At 3 o'clock sharp, Gans stepped on the scales, and then Nelson, for the third time that day. Again the bar did not move.

    Just before the fight started, Gans was handed a telegram from his mother. It's last four words immediately became a part of the common glossary in America. The wire read:

    "JOE, THE EYES OF THE WORLD ARE ON YOU. EVERYBODY SAYS YOU OUGHT TO WIN. YOUNG PETER JACKSON WILL TELL ME THE NEWS AND YOU BRING HOME THE BACON."

    And so it was on labor-day sep. 3 1906 in Goldfield Nevada. The rest is history.
    Great read! That's very interesting and amusing. Having 3 weign ins would spell disaster for many fighters nowadays.

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    • #3
      This doesn't make Nelson look very good. Seems kind of like a racist prick! Maybe that's just his promoter..

      I did read that Neslon was hated for all of the low blows he used to throw.

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      • #4
        Why was Gans so desperate for the fight? Could he not make good money against someone else?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by abosworth View Post
          This doesn't make Nelson look very good. Seems kind of like a racist prick! Maybe that's just his promoter..

          I did read that Neslon was hated for all of the low blows he used to throw.
          The sport of boxing was very rascist at that time. You had the white hope hype when the black Jack Johnson was HW champ. Black fighters usually didn't get titleshots althoug they deserved it. Black man Sam Langford is arguably a top 10 all-time p4p and yet he never got a titleshot.

          Jack Dempsey refused to fight black challengers although several was more deserving than the ones he actually fought. The rascism, especially in HW-boxing, really first took a turn towards 'equality' when Joe Louis became champion just before the war. He was adored by the public even before he defeated german Max Schmeling who was in the american public wrongly perceived as a nazi-enemy.

          To answer your question I'd say that Nelson probably was no more rascist than the average white guy at the time, and he had a very schrewd manager who got away with a lot. Remember also that Bat was perhaps the most popular fighter outside of HW at the time.

          And yes. Battling Nelson was probably the all-time dirtiest fighter.
          Last edited by BattlingNelson; 08-19-2008, 03:59 PM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Clegg View Post
            Why was Gans so desperate for the fight? Could he not make good money against someone else?
            I dont have bullet-proof info on that, but a fight with the famous Battling Nelson who was arguably the most famous fighter in the world outside of the heavies would likely give Gans more money than he could earn fighting anyone else.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by R I Z O View Post
              Great read! That's very interesting and amusing. Having 3 weign ins would spell disaster for many fighters nowadays.
              Yes. Weigh-ins were usually at the day of the fight. 3 weigh-ins are highly unusual. At least I've never heard anything like that before.

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              • #8
                Wow...

                That sounds like an old time Wank Warren!

                Good read Bat

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                • #9
                  good read thanks

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by BattlingNelson View Post
                    The great promoter Tex Rickard was about to start his illustrious promoting career with the staging of a fight between world lightweight champion Joe Gans and the famous Battling Nelson. The fight was to take place in the boomtown of Goldfield, Nevada.

                    Nelson's manager Billy Nolan made every twist and turn to give his fighter the advantage.

                    Of the purse of $33,500 Nelson demanded $22,500. The champion Joe Gans got $11K.

                    The referee was to be George Siler who had been the ref. when Joe Gans threw a fight against Terry McGovern and he was prejudiced against blacks.

                    The last demand was the weigh-in. Nolan wanted to take advantage of Joe Gans's trouble of making the weight. When Gans asked that the weighing-in time be set at noon, three hours before the fight, Nolan countered with some requests of his own. He won them all. The men would weigh in three times on Labor Day (the day of the fight): at noon, at 1:30 and 3 o'clock, ringtime. The boxers would weigh in wearing their ring togs—shoes and trunks. If Gans was a fraction of an ounce overweight at any of the three weighins, Nolan threatened, he would claim a forfeit.

                    At noon the fighters weighed-in for the first time. The scales, set at 133 pounds, did not stir. It was the same story at the second weigh-in, at 1:30 p.m.

                    Gans had taken extraordinary precautions to keep within the limit: He had shaved practically every hair off his head, face and body and wore no socks. He had even tied his ring shoes with thin strings instead of shoelaces.

                    At 3 o'clock sharp, Gans stepped on the scales, and then Nelson, for the third time that day. Again the bar did not move.

                    Just before the fight started, Gans was handed a telegram from his mother. It's last four words immediately became a part of the common glossary in America. The wire read:

                    "JOE, THE EYES OF THE WORLD ARE ON YOU. EVERYBODY SAYS YOU OUGHT TO WIN. YOUNG PETER JACKSON WILL TELL ME THE NEWS AND YOU BRING HOME THE BACON."

                    And so it was on labor-day sep. 3 1906 in Goldfield Nevada. The rest is history.
                    great stuff bro!!!

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