BoxingScene's members top 10 P4P all-time

[Yogi]

Edit: Dropping out.

[RMAcero]

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Hank Armstrong
4. Archie Moore
5. Willie Pep
6. Sam Langford
7. Sugar Ray Leonard
8. Roberto Duran
9. Pernell Whitaker
10. Roy Jones, Jr.

[Hearnsz]

I generally don't like compiling these things, but for the hell of it;

1. Sam Langford
2. Sugar Ray Robinson
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Harry Greb
5. Willie Pep
6. Benny Leonard
7. Bob Fitzsimmons
8. Ezzard Charles
9. Roberto Duran
10. Joe Louis

Honourable mentions to; Jimmy Wilde, Muhammad Ali, Ray Leonard, Archie Moore, Mickey Walker, Tony Canzoneri, Joe Gans, Eder Jofre, Barbados Joe Walcott, Gene Tunney, Barney Ross, etc., etc.

Hehe I understand... There are so many fighters to choose from and so many different aspects that count that the list of one person can change every day. But that's a reason why I tought it would be interesting to make this resume list and see what the non-oldtimers (younger than 60); and then see if the outcome differs alot from the P4P lists of the RING etc...

Btw pretty different list you got there; you really like the old timers don't you ? I'm not very educated about this stuff: but why are Benny Leonard and Sam Langford so great? I'd personally rate Tunney far above those two knowing only their records and big names they fought....

[JAB5239]

[QUOTE=Yogi;3880531]I generally don't like compiling these things, but for the hell of it;

1. Sam Langford
2. Sugar Ray Robinson
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Harry Greb
5. Willie Pep
6. Benny Leonard
7. Bob Fitzsimmons
8. Ezzard Charles
9. Roberto Duran
10. Joe Louis

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Mine are...

1. SRR
2. Greb
3. Armstrong
4. Langford
5. Pep
6. Charles
7. Ray Leonard
8. Duran
9. Walker
10. Gans

My list changes all the time with the exception of the first 4.

[Yogi]

I'm not very educated about this stuff: but why are Benny Leonard and Sam Langford so great?

I can't explain that all in one post, Rafael, but let me just say that I spend quite a bit of time reading those old newspapers that are available online (when boxing was dominating the sports pages with baseball and to a lesser extent, horse racing), and both Langford & Leonard shine brightly as probably the two most respected talents of their respective eras in those writings, and that's based on many different opinions/sources from each of their days.

Comparitively speaking, Tunney didn't have quite the same respect during his time as the other two, and in fact, some writings were quite critical of Tunney for some of the things he didn't do in the ring, specifically backing out of fights (against Norfolk, Sharkey, etc.) and things of that nature.

Records are interesting to browse over, I guess, but they don't mean all that much to me in defining a fighter's "greatness" (especially when BoxRec is very limited with their "sources" from the no-decision era). Neither is fight footage all that important to me, as I'm not going to disqualify fighters from history just because of some advancements made in technology.

[Hearnsz]

Ah k, I understand now I think... Indeed it's maybe wrong to say today's fighters are better looking at the way the fight. Back when the gloves were much thinner you couldn't block with them etc... Plus the neutral corner rule of course.

Am I right when I say you're list is more "Greatest 10 fighters of all time" than "Best 10 fighters of all time"?

[Yogi]

Am I right when I say you're list is more "Greatest 10 fighters of all time" than "Best 10 fighters of all time"?

My list is an off the top ranking of who I consider the "greatest" fighters of all-time, yes (their standing in the sport or sports in general, how they're compared to their peers, etc.) , and if that's not what you were looking for, Rafael, then by all means, you have my permission to scratch my ranking off your list. I'm not big on doing these anyways.

[Brockton Lip]

It changes from time to time, but here it is at the moment.

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Willie Pep
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Sam Langford
5. Roberto Duran
6. Benny Leonard
7. Ezzard Charles
8. Bob Fitzsimmons
9. Harry Greb
10. Jimmy Wilde (Or Ali)

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Sugar Ray Robinson
Henry Armstrong
Muhammad Ali
Roy Jones Jr (his lack of top notch opposition outside of toney and hopkins hurts him but his talent is unquestionably top notch, and he does have those two wins, along with many other wins versus top notch opponents.
Harry Greb
Sugar Ray Leonard
Roberto Duran
Salvador Sanchez
Sam Langford
Floyd Mayweather.

[JAB5239]

Sugar Ray Robinson
Henry Armstrong
Muhammad Ali
Roy Jones Jr (his lack of top notch opposition outside of toney and hopkins hurts him but his talent is unquestionably top notch, and he does have those two wins, along with many other wins versus top notch opponents.
Harry Greb
Sugar Ray Leonard
Roberto Duran
Salvador Sanchez
Sam Langford
Floyd Mayweather.

Im gonna respectfully say that Neither Jones, Sanchez or Mayweather belong in the top 10. In all 3 cases none have the quality of opposition to rank so high. These lists are subjective, but I believe quality op is the first thing that has to be taken into consideration, followed by longevity, then talent. We can speculate all day who they MAY have beat based on their talent, but that still doesn't give them better careers then fighters with the first two attributes in spades, plus being ultra talented as well. Just my opinion. Peace.