Marciano was overrated and not an ATG.

[Smokin'J]

probably a nobody. Sorry but I do not rate anyone who struggled to beat old slow men. The training techniques were pretty much the same in the 60's and developed a bit more in the 70's. I don't think he would have held his own in the late 60's.

I am not trying to convince you to like him but I take you as a example you make good posts but re-think and think about your own post and in DETAILS why he wouldn't. I could aswell say Ali isn't a ATG 'cause he only won 'cause he was fast, but I don't 'cause I look at him from every angle and etc.

[Alexis Vastine]

No that does not make sense. he only won coz he was fast! LOL, that is an attribute to why he won and why he would do it in any age. Plus he had other skills anyway. That argument is completely different to what we have here and makes no sense because if you did say that you will be explaining why he was so good! Speed is 9/10th's of the boxing law as the old saying goes.

The bottom line is that the Marciano believers have no such arguments in his case. he didn't have phenomenal speed and was not elusive and as for his punching, he could **** a bit but he was no Foreman taking out proven opponents in their primes! Just old men. they just try to defend his opponents desperately because they know he didn't beat anybody good. the bottomline is Joe Walcott was an average fighter that Rocky struggled with no matter what anyone says.

[Smokin'J]

No that does not make sense. he only won coz he was fast! LOL, that is an attribute to why he won and why he would do it in any age. Plus he had other skills anyway. That argument is completely different to what we have here and makes no sense because if you did say that you will be explaining why he was so good! Speed is 9/10th's of the boxing law as the old saying goes.

The bottom line is that the Marciano believers have no such arguments in his case. he didn't have phenomenal speed and was not elusive and as for his punching, he could **** a bit but he was no Foreman taking out proven opponents in their primes! Just old men. they just try to defend his opponents desperately because they know he didn't beat anybody good. the bottomline is Joe Walcott was an average fighter that Rocky struggled with no matter what anyone says.

That was my point.
Personally Rocky isn't even a ATG almost no one knows him.
Can't see why people talk so much about him anyway.

[Alexis Vastine]

Because he was white and the media loved him. He would get schooled by a prime RJJ and even B-Hop would give him a run for his money!

[marciano1952]

Because he was white and the media loved him. He would get schooled by a prime RJJ and even B-Hop would give him a run for his money!

[TheGreatA]

How many times has this guy been banned already? He just doesn't get the message.

I'm sure he will be back with another account in a day or two.

[Miburo]

Marciano was the most fanatically trained and disciplined fighter ever. The strategic, long-term nature of his style allowed for no errors of conditioning.

[zelley]

Marciano "the rock for the ages"

Debate is nice, but it don't win titles.

Any boxer that can win 49 of 49 bouts and retire as an undefeated champion
must have the right tools to compete against the best of any era.

As many of Marciano's opponents looked like they were stand-ins for
Shock theatre after their bouts with the Rock must mean Marciano had the right stuff.

Of course he could compete with the likes of Frazier, Ali, Lewis, Tyson and the rest of the titleholders.

That jive talk minimizing Jersey Joe Walcott ability to downgrade Marciano is a shame. The left hook used by Walcott to starch Ezzard Charles would have taken out any other top contender or champion even Ali at his best. To say that Walcott was slow is pure fantasy,
and I have a bridge in Alaska to sell you.

[Kid McCoy]

The major downer on Rocky is that he was in a relatively weak era, his best opponents were all smallish and at the tail end of the careers, and they all gave him hard fights. Even Roland LaStarza and Rex Layne, the best young heavies of his era, weighed under 190lb. He was never tested against a big, prime top tier heavyweight, which makes it difficult to judge how he'd fare against other greats.

But he did what he had to do, beat who was there, and 49-0 is not to be sniffed at. I have him just outside the top ten. Definitely an all-time great.

[Alexis Vastine]

Sorry, I made a mistake. RJJ would not give him a run for his money although B-Hop would. RJJ would wipe the floor with him! Different class. RM was not technical enough and not naturally gifted enough to deal with RJJ's speed and power. Anyone who thinks he was is just lying to themselves!