Marciano was overrated and not an ATG.

[logan58]

One who speaks as you do should never have the audacity to call others names. You seem to be on the same intellectual level as Ali.

Because they aren't you ignorant **********. Records are listed typically in this format: 32-4-1 (25). Guess what the (25)? KOs, TKOs, Corner stoppages, cut stoppages, broken ankle stoppages, quitting with ass on stool stoppages: No distinctions are made. If you don't know how to read a simple equation like that you might as well give up and shoot yourself because you're too ****** to live.

Poet

[JulioCesaChavez]

Poet you mistook my mum for a white woman! And no, there was no contradictions. I don't like him because he is ****E, not because he is white. There are a few white fighters that I do like, but he is not one of them! The media overrated him because he was their great white hope. if you had 2 brain cells to rub together you would realise they are two completely unrelated issues! Then again if you did have them 2 brain cells you wouldn't be Marciano's cheap&nasty defence lawyer.

[StarshipTrooper]

Poet you mistook my mum for a white woman! And no, there was [sic] no contradictions. I don't like him because he is ****E, not because he is white. There are a few white fighters that I do like, but he is not one of them! The media overrated him because he was their great white hope. if you had 2 brain cells to rub together you would realise they are two completely unrelated issues! Then again if you did have them [sic] 2 brain cells you wouldn't be Marciano's cheap&nasty defence lawyer.

You just keep getting funnier and funnier, and more pathetic with each post. I mean this is real entertainment watching you become unhinged as you race along to your next ban So tell me Rafael Benitez, what's your next alt going to be hmm? I'm sure you already have it made up

Poet

[logan58]

Do you have a problem reading? Do you not see all the TKOs and that there are both KOs and TKOs listed? Since they are both listed, does that not tell you there is a difference between the two? My point was that Ali couldn't take down his opponents as Marciano did. Ali's record is loaded with TKOs, not KOs, while Marciano only had KOs because he was capable of finishing the job. Go back to school.

You just hanged yourself with your own post:



See that 37 Knockouts? Go down that list of opponents and do the math. Wanna bet the number of "KOs" don't add up to 37? Until you start figuring in the "TKOs" maybe? BTW, that "37" is the number used to figure a fighter's KO percentage. That means you can stop all 37 on cuts and it counts toward your KO percentage.

Game, Set, and Match

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

Do you have a problem reading? Do you not see all the TKOs and that there are both KOs and TKOs listed? Since they are both listed, does that not tell you there is a difference between the two? My point was that Ali couldn't take down his opponents as Marciano did. Ali's record is loaded with TKOs, not KOs, while Marciano only had KOs because he was capable of finishing the job. Go back to school.

Do you have a problem reading? Where do you see "KO" or "TKO" listed seperately in these:

Ring Magazine Heavyweight ratings:

1 1 180 WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO 51-3 (45)
2 2 4 VITALI KLITSCHKO 36-2 (35)
3 3 103 RUSLAN CHAGAEV 24-0-1 (17)
4 4 151 NICOLAY VALUEV 49-1 (34)
5 5 54 ALEXANDER POVETKIN 16-0 (12)
6 6 75 SULTAN IBRAGIMOV 22-1-1 (17)
7 7 183 SAMUEL PETER 30-2 (23)
8 8 117 OLEG MASKAEV 35-6 (26)
9 9 6 JUAN CARLOS GOMEZ 44-1 (35)
10 10 35 JOHN RUIZ 43-8-1 (29)

BoxRec:

1 Wladimir Klitschko 1660 51 (45) - 3 (3) - 0
2 Vitali Klitschko 930 36 (35) - 2 (2) - 0
3 Ruslan Chagaev 848 24 (17) - 0 (0) - 1
4 David Haye 699 21 (20) - 1 (1) - 0
5 Tony Thompson 640 31 (19) - 2 (1) - 0
6 Nikolay Valuev 607 49 (34) - 1 (0) - 0
7 Samuel Peter 590 30 (23) - 2 (1) - 0
8 Juan Carlos Gomez 578 44 (35) - 1 (1) - 0
9 John Ruiz 558 43 (29) - 8 (1) - 1
10 Oleg Maskaev 495 35 (26) - 6 (6) - 0
11 Lamon Brewster 491 34 (30) - 4 (1) - 0
12 Alexander Povetkin 485 16 (12) - 0 (0) - 0
13 Matt Skelton 474 21 (18) - 2 (0) - 0
14 Monte Barrett 462 34 (20) - 6 (3) - 0
15 Danny Williams 424 40 (31) - 6 (3) - 0
16 Sultan Ibragimov 411 22 (17) - 1 (0) - 1
17 Hasim Rahman 410 45 (36) - 6 (4) - 2
18 Eddie Chambers 402 32 (18) - 1 (0) - 0
19 Andrew Golota 400 41 (33) - 7 (4) - 1
20 Taras *****ko 395 26 (12) - 2 (1) - 0

Hmmm? Go to those web sites RIGHT NOW and tell me they are listed any different then they are posted! Find any listing of "KO Percentage" and do the math YOURSELF (assuming you are capable of basic arithmetic). You'll find NO difference. All you are looking at is extended fight by fight description that ALWAYS give the circumstances of stoppages (some even give the counts for knockdowns, location of cuts ect.). Those descriptions are NOT used in compiling official won-loss records or any other rankings (such as "KO Percentage").

The only reason you're so **** rententive over this is you're desperate to prove something no one has ever disputed: That Marciano had more punching power than Ali. Duh! You're obsessed with power, which as I said, is possibly the LEAST important of the major factors that go into making a fighter. If power was all that and a bag of chips it would Earnie Shavers with the undefeated record NOT Marciano. Shavers, NOT Marciano, is regarded by most people who have any real knowledge of the sport (except for maybe mongoloid ******s like yourself) as being the hardest puncher in Heavyweight history.

Come back when you actually learn something about boxing Junior (or at very least when you learn how to read the official record and not a fight box score),

Poet

[JulioCesaChavez]

You just keep getting funnier and funnier, and more pathetic with each post. I mean this is real entertainment watching you become unhinged as you race along to your next ban So tell me Rafael Benitez, what's your next alt going to be hmm? I'm sure you already have it made up

Poet

You're inability to answer the questions peaks volumes. Enjoy being a conformist and licking mods bumholes you *****. You really got me there! I really cared about being banned for puttng **** in their place. Try to stay on topic and deal with issue. As Marciano gets rated in top 5 p4p, how is he not overrated? How does struggling v old men make him capable of surviving the 70's? You and you're mate logan should share a padded cell.

Also, I cannot actually believe you are dumb enough to think I am Rafael Benitez. I know he has a doctorate in sports science, but why would the manager of world's best teambe posting on a boxing forum!!! ******ed geek go upload me some fights now and do my homework too.

[Pride Of Arkans]

Rocky is a ATG but he is also overrated
most of the top heavyweights would beat him.

[StarshipTrooper]

You're [sic] inability to answer the questions peaks [sic] volumes. Enjoy being a conformist and licking mods bumholes you *****. You really got me there! I really cared about being banned for puttng [sic] **** in their place. Try to stay on topic and deal with issue [sic].

Your inability to make any sort of cognigtive arguments ouside of making hysterical claims and bitching about Marciano's skin tone speaks volumes (not to mention the inability to type in English). Enjoy being an idiot and the laughing stock of Boxing Scene. You really got me there! As for "putting ****" in there place most gays I know would beat you like you stole something then use you like a prison *****! You couldn't stay on topic if someone shoved it up your ass; certainly not without launching into irrelivent diatribes about Marciano being white. You are also the master of the circular argument to wit: Marciano can't be great because he only beat fighters A, B, and C.; fighters A, B, and C can't be great because they lost to Marciano! The most hysterical thing about your posts is how you are completely oblivious to how much of an ass you make yourself out to be LOL!

Oh, and btw, it usually only takes me a couple of lines to deal with the issues as you present them (limited minds only need brief responses to refute) after that I'm free to deal with YOU

As Marciano gets rated in top 5 p4p, how is he not overrated? How does struggling v old men make him capable of surviving the 70's?

By who? I've seen him ranked top 5 Heavyweights but NEVER p4p. That's what's known as a "strawman" where you make up a pretend issue and pretend to refute it. How does stuggling against "old men" like Ken Norton make Larry Holmes capable of surviving the 70s? Oh wait. He did didn't he? With the title in fact.

You and you're mate logan should share a padded cell.

My mate Logan? I slap Logan around like he's my personal speed bad! Obviously you don't read posts

Also, I cannot actually believe you are dumb enough to think I am Rafael Benitez. I know he has a doctorate in sports science, but why would the manager of world's [sic] best teambe [sic] posting on a boxing forum!!! ******ed geek go upload me some fights now and do my homework too.

Funny, the only boxing trainer I know of named Benitez is Greggorio and he's from Puerto Rico. Hmmm, Benitez. Puerto Rico. I'll let you TRY and figure out the connection. I have no doubt I could go to some third-world ****-hole and come back with a doctorate in SOMETHING. What's his doctorate in? Underwater Serial Wanking?

Ps. Once again

Poet

[oneiros1313]

Marciano was overrated and not an ATG.

Ummm, no and no.

[The Jackal]

Ummm, no and no.

Conas ta tu?

Where are you from or what part of the country