Duran Leonard Hearns Hagler

[Hearnsz]

If you polled the the entire web repeatedly, Duran would invariably be #1, Hagler and Leonard are pretty much interchageable and would take turns being #2 and 3, and Tommy would invariably be #4.

Hmm currently in this poll Duran (20) and Hagler (19) are closer to eachother than Hagler and Leonard (16) ...

I know Duran is probably the more legendary fighter but lots of people seem to think Hagler was better...

Hearns indeed seems to have stranded last... I didn't really expect that. I tought Leonard would be last. Then again they are all pretty damn impressive.

[bishop2006]

I dont know why Duran is winning the poll,he got beat by Hagler,Leonard and Hearns,and was a special lightweight,but didnt follow up in the other weight classes,i like Hearns style the best,but Leonard beat them all,he always found a way,even if i think Hagler deserved the decision,Leonard came of a huge layoff to beat the MAN at middleweight,the best middleweight ever,so im gna have to go with Leonard

[Hearnsz]

True,
Also many people admire Duran for his incredible carreer as a lightweight and then still doing good at welter/middle. Because he still had that knockoutpower in those higher weightclasses.

But Hearns started in welter and went up to CRUISER where he still had 1 round knockouts. That's pretty awesome imo. He's deffenately the hardest puncher of the 4 imo. Maybe even the hardest p4p ever.

[wmute]

Although I disagree, seeing Hagler ranked above Leonard makes me feel good.

[Panamaniac]

I dont know why Duran is winning the poll,he got beat by Hagler,Leonard and Hearns,and was a special lightweight,but didnt follow up in the other weight classes,i like Hearns style the best,but Leonard beat them all,he always found a way,even if i think Hagler deserved the decision,Leonard came of a huge layoff to beat the MAN at middleweight,the best middleweight ever,so im gna have to go with Leonard

Duran would outrank the others in any context simply because he brought - even in his darkest hour - excitement and drama to the ring. He has rarely, if ever, been a party to a dull fight. The guy was a crowd-pleaser who captured two world titles way past his prime and had arguably the longest career ever in boxing. His achievements are the stuff that legends are made of.

[Hearnsz]

Hmm I personally found Leonard was the most exciting fighter to watch. He also brought great drama with him vs Duran and him vs Hearns.
But yea Leonard's carreer was also very short. Especially when you compare it to Duran's which is simply oldschool

[wpink1]

Thats a dream that panamiac (Duran from Panama). Tell us all just who at lightwieght that was so good that Duran beat. Can you tell us how many people that Duran beat at lightweight AFTER he became a champion, with a record of .500 or less. Then while your researching this on Box Rec, compare this to Leonard who continously fought better and better opposition.

Leonard beat all of the others, and no one else can say that, in fact Duran got BEAT by oll of the others. Hmmmm Durans sole claim to fame, is two things, his 70-1 record at lilghtweight which I challenge Panamiac and others to go look at his quality of opposition and say it was great.

Secondly, he did Beat Leonard at welter. No doubt about it! He deserves credit for a legendary win. However, you have to factor in also duran moved up and accomplished this. While your considering this, factor in that Leonard CHOSE to forgoe his boxing style and slug with Duran toe to toe. Duran did not force him to, You can not go back and find a round here Leonard TRIED to move and Duran cut off the ring. Duran won a decision by 4 points total between 3 judges. 4 points. And each of the judges gave Duran the 1st round, a round in which he never landed A SINGLE PUNCH TO THE HEAD. NOT ONE! Once Ray came out to box him the second and 3rd fights, Duran had nothing to offer, in fact he quit...... Factor in Durna then got beat by Benetiz, ko'd in 2 rounds by Hearns, and beaten by Hagler...Hmmmmmmm

Also Panamiac and others will TRY to say well Duran was not prime, (he was when he got beat by Dejesus wasnt he), and he moved up. I challenge them to consider the facts.

1. Duran had no amateur career vs leoanrd who had 150 fights as an amateur, which leads to show that by age 30 who would have been more worn out?

2. Duran moved up at age 29 as did Leonard, Mayweather, Jones, Whitacker, DLH etc... Duran was not a shot fighter when he moved up he had no amateur career, had 70 fights as a pro and many at least 1/2 were vs horrible (amateur level) fighters. FACTS!

3. We judge all fighters based on Jones, Whitacker, Leoanrd, DLH, Mosley, Mayweather based on how successful they are when they move up the weights. They all fared better than Duran who vs the better fighters he had a record of 3-5. 1-2 vs Leonard, 0-1 vs hagler, 0-1 vs hearns, 0-1 vs benitez, 1-0 vs moore, 1-0 vs barkly. What other figher who has moved up around the same age could have a record so horrible and fought the bums he fought at lightweight, and still be thought off as hight as panamiac.

4. Got brutally ko'd in 2 rounds by hearns.

[Jambo boy]

I rank them like this:

1) Duran
2) Hagler
3) Leonard
4) Hearns

I put Duran at number one because him rising from lightweight to middleweight and winning titles along the way was an incredible achievement, pound for pound, he is the best of the four IMO.

It was hard to pick between Leonard and Hagler but I feel that Hagler accomplished more in his career than Leonard, I would probably rank Leonard above Hagler if he hadn't suffered the detached retina that kept him out of the ring.

I would agree with that.

Well thats for active fighters. Hagler, Lennox and Joe Louis are my all time favorites......

LOL at Lacy and Lennox

[StarshipTrooper]

Thats a dream that panamiac (Duran from Panama). Tell us all just who at lightwieght that was so good that Duran beat. Can you tell us how many people that Duran beat at lightweight AFTER he became a champion, with a record of .500 or less. Then while your researching this on Box Rec, compare this to Leonard who continously fought better and better opposition.

Leonard beat all of the others, and no one else can say that, in fact Duran got BEAT by oll of the others. Hmmmm Durans sole claim to fame, is two things, his 70-1 record at lilghtweight which I challenge Panamiac and others to go look at his quality of opposition and say it was great.

Secondly, he did Beat Leonard at welter. No doubt about it! He deserves credit for a legendary win. However, you have to factor in also duran moved up and accomplished this. While your considering this, factor in that Leonard CHOSE to forgoe his boxing style and slug with Duran toe to toe. Duran did not force him to, You can not go back and find a round here Leonard TRIED to move and Duran cut off the ring. Duran won a decision by 4 points total between 3 judges. 4 points. And each of the judges gave Duran the 1st round, a round in which he never landed A SINGLE PUNCH TO THE HEAD. NOT ONE! Once Ray came out to box him the second and 3rd fights, Duran had nothing to offer, in fact he quit...... Factor in Durna then got beat by Benetiz, ko'd in 2 rounds by Hearns, and beaten by Hagler...Hmmmmmmm

Also Panamiac and others will TRY to say well Duran was not prime, (he was when he got beat by Dejesus wasnt he), and he moved up. I challenge them to consider the facts.

1. Duran had no amateur career vs leoanrd who had 150 fights as an amateur, which leads to show that by age 30 who would have been more worn out?

2. Duran moved up at age 29 as did Leonard, Mayweather, Jones, Whitacker, DLH etc... Duran was not a shot fighter when he moved up he had no amateur career, had 70 fights as a pro and many at least 1/2 were vs horrible (amateur level) fighters. FACTS!

3. We judge all fighters based on Jones, Whitacker, Leoanrd, DLH, Mosley, Mayweather based on how successful they are when they move up the weights. They all fared better than Duran who vs the better fighters he had a record of 3-5. 1-2 vs Leonard, 0-1 vs hagler, 0-1 vs hearns, 0-1 vs benitez, 1-0 vs moore, 1-0 vs barkly. What other figher who has moved up around the same age could have a record so horrible and fought the bums he fought at lightweight, and still be thought off as hight as panamiac.

4. Got brutally ko'd in 2 rounds by hearns.

Most boxing historians consider Duran to be the greatest Lightweight ever. That's not enough for you? I would think that people who are experts when it comes to boxing ought to carry SOME weight.

We do NOT judge fighters based on how they did when they went up in weight. It may have SOME consideration but for the most part fighters are judged by how the did at their best weight. By your criteria Hagler was nothing because he spent his entire career at Middleweight. Hearns isn't judged by what he did at Middleweight and Lightheavyweight. His high standing is solely based on what he did at Welterweight. I really think you need to reavaluate how you go about judging fighters.

Poet

PS. Nothing Leonard did post Welterweight was anything to hang his hat on: A gift draw in the second Hearns fight, barely eeking out a past it Hagler, TKOing a tomato can Lightheavyweight in Lalonde, and Norris and Camacho. Need anymore examples?

[BennyST]

Most boxing historians consider Duran to be the greatest Lightweight ever. That's not enough for you? I would think that people who are experts when it comes to boxing ought to carry SOME weight.

We do NOT judge fighters based on how they did when they went up in weight. It may have SOME consideration but for the most part fighters are judged by how the did at their best weight. By your criteria Hagler was nothing because he spent his entire career at Middleweight. Hearns isn't judged by what he did at Middleweight and Lightheavyweight. His high standing is solely based on what he did at Welterweight. I really think you need to reavaluate how you go about judging fighters.

Poet

PS. Nothing Leonard did post Welterweight was anything to hang his hat on: A gift draw in the second Hearns fight, barely eeking out a past it Hagler, TKOing a tomato can Lightheavyweight in Lalonde, and Norris and Camacho. Need anymore examples?

He's baaaaaaacckkkk!

Don't bother Poet mate. That one's a lost cause.

Good to see you again Wpink.