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Originally posted by SABBATH
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Ditto. Hence my posting every day....
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Yeah, I saw a recent thread you made over there in regards to Hurricane Carter, and seeing as how nobody responded to it (I think that subject may have been played out over there), I was almost tempted to put a response through after having recently re-read his '16th Round' of horse crap.Originally posted by SABBATH View PostComment
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Good to see I brought you out of retirement! Yeah that thread died a quick death (ha ha, lots of reads though) but I have always doubted Carter's innocence and would really like to investigate the whole case a little more thoroughly. I have met Carter one on one and it wasn't exactly a meeting I cherish.Originally posted by Yogi View Post
I'm done here anyway. Have a drop by at the usual water cooler sometimes.....we need some more Canadian content!Comment
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Duran Was At His Best As A Lightweight, He Was Bloated And Above Natural Weight When He Fought These Guys And Also Past His Prime And He Still Mananged To Beat Leonard. Hearns Only Ko'ed Him Cos Duran Was Fat, Old And Had No Motivation. Duran Achieved More Than The Other 3 DidComment
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Leonard. Had it all. Beat them all.
People make excuses for Duran's losses, and criticise Leonards wins.Comment
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I'd like to give you the credit for my being back, my friend, but if the truth be known, my computer took a dump months ago and I haven't been online since. Finally had the bite the bullet and buy a new one.Originally posted by SABBATH View Post
Carter's book is full of it all throughout, but in keeping it strictly boxing related, one of my favourite lines in his book was the following;
"I flew to Argentina and fought Rocky Rivero on the sixth of August (1966), and when I got back, I signed for the championship fight with **** Tiger." (page 250)
This would be the same **** Tiger who had already lost his championship four months previous I take it?Comment
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Your correct Duran was at his most effective at Lightweight, no one has ever argued that. However this is where your analogy or statment is flawed.Duran Was At His Best As A Lightweight, He Was Bloated And Above Natural Weight When He Fought These Guys And Also Past His Prime And He Still Mananged To Beat Leonard. Hearns Only Ko'ed Him Cos Duran Was Fat, Old And Had No Motivation. Duran Achieved More Than The Other 3 Did
1. Duran's quality of oppositon at lightweight is no where near what leonards was or Ali's, or Robinsons etc.
2. Why is is that in your view and others, we should only judge Duran on his exploits at lightweight, but we judge Mayweather, Robinson, Leonard, Jones,,,etc on how they did when they moved up in weight.
3. Duran fought since age 17....no amteur career. At age 29 he moved up after 70 total fights. Leonard was fighting since age 12. 150 total amateur fights, and 33 fights when he moved up to fight kalule,,,then he moved up and fougth Hagler...Age 27. Mayweather many many amateur fights, 30 some odd fights moved up age 28......What is the difference... Especialliy when you go back and look at that over 30 of Durans fights where vs fighters with records like 0-3, or 10-11...even after he was a champion.
4. Buchanon, Marcil, Dejesus all were good fighters...Were they all time greats? No. How is iit that based on his weak resume, he was not undefeated, he moved up at age 29 from lightweight to welter (which is a jump dlh, mosley, mayweather, robinson, armstrong all made with more success, leonard moved up 13 pounds to fight hagler then another 15 to fight lalond, Jones and Toney moved up 40 pounds to fight heavy weight, Pacquio moved up many weight classes, Arguello too) that Duran fans have blinders on to what others did at their normal weight vs better opposition, and moved up with more success.
5. Hopkins dominated the middleweight for just about as long as Duran did...we dont call him a all time great.....
Those are facts.Comment
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Many people DO consider Estaban DeJesus an all-time great. In fact we DO call Bernard Hopkins an all-time great. Anbody remotely knowledgable about boxing has him on their top-ten Middleweight list. Oh, and why do you keep bringing up the amatuers? Amatuer boxing is an entirely different sport from the pros. Tyson only had a relatively small number of amatuer fights and it didn't seem to hurt him any.Originally posted by wpink1 View Post
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I bring up the amateurs because it does cause wear and tear on a person body which is the argument many were trying to make that duran was worn out after 70 pro fights but none as an amateur,,,,and if you look at many of these pro fights they were vs amateur level fighters...Point is it is a push...leonard long amateur career and much tougher professional resume up to the point they moved up....Comment
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Once and for all...
No matter how many rebutalls the size of "War and Peace" you post here, no matter how often you cite the inferior opponents as a lightweight, or his lack of an amateur career, etc., Duran will ALWAYS be rated at least ten rungs ahead of Leonard on the p4p ATG list of all objective boxing scribes.Originally posted by wpink1 View Post
This, like the age difference between two individuals who remain alive, will never change; the younger will never catch up. Leonard will never be rated ahead of Duran by anyone who has half a brain. This is something you will have to live with for the rest of your life. And if posting an epistle everytime Duran's name is mentioned on this website is like insulin to a diabetic to you, then - to use an appropiate phrase - Knock yourself out!Comment
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