Floyd Patterson vs. Sonny Liston

[Hawkins]

I would like to ask your opinion on something.

Why was Sonny Liston considered invincible after destroying Floyd Patterson? Nothing on Floyd's resume (other than a win over Archie Moore) points to the fact that he was a world beater.

As a champion ,I dare say ,he was protected from opponents considered dangerous. I he was a great offensive fighter but he was very easy to hit. If Ingemar could tee off on him at will, why in the world would anyone be suprised that he got demolished my Liston?

Not taking anything away from either fighter, but it doesn't look like a lopsided victory by Sonny Liston would be that shocking.Nor does it look like a victory over Floyd Patterson would signify the coming of an invincible champion.

[Mike Tyson77]

It's how Sonny won the fights. Both 1 round KO's. I think Cus almost had to carry Floyd out of the ring.

[Hawkins]

It's how Sonny won the fights. Both 1 round KO's. I think Cus almost had to carry Floyd out of the ring.

Well I understand. But surely someone of Liston's caliber was a heavy favorite over Floyd because it was a huge leap in competition for him. Plus factor in what Ingemar did to him and it should not have been a surpise.

Does anyone know the odds for the Patterson-Liston I fight?

[them_apples]

I would like to ask your opinion on something.

Why was Sonny Liston considered invincible after destroying Floyd Patterson? Nothing on Floyd's resume (other than a win over Archie Moore) points to the fact that he was a world beater.

As a champion ,I dare say ,he was protected from opponents considered dangerous. I he was a great offensive fighter but he was very easy to hit. If Ingemar could tee off on him at will, why in the world would anyone be suprised that he got demolished my Liston?

Not taking anything away from either fighter, but it doesn't look like a lopsided victory by Sonny Liston would be that shocking.Nor does it look like a victory over Floyd Patterson would signify the coming of an invincible champion.

I can't see why anyone would think he was invincible, Liston had some huge flaws, one being to slow.

[Hawkins]

Whether you see it or not, he was considered unbeatable. Just like George Foreman after him. Foreman I can see, because he destroyed one of the toughest to ever lace up the gloves in Joe Frazier....I just don't understand exactly why Liston was afforded that as well because as much as I admire Floyd, he's no Joe Frazier.

[Jim Jeffries]

Whether you see it or not, he was considered unbeatable. Just like George Foreman after him. Foreman I can see, because he destroyed one of the toughest to ever lace up the gloves in Joe Frazier....I just don't understand exactly why Liston was afforded that as well because as much as I admire Floyd, he's no Joe Frazier.

Liston also KOd Cleveland Williams early in brutal fashion, and it's no secret Floyd ducked him for a while. Plus the whole ex con added to it too I think.

[Hawkins]

Liston also KOd Cleveland Williams early in brutal fashion, and it's no secret Floyd ducked him for a while. Plus the whole ex con added to it too I think.

Yea, Cus was adament about not fighting Liston for the longest time. You may have something with the ex con bit. He was seen as quite the thug back in the day, being a kneebreaker for the mob and all.

[Jim Jeffries]

Yea, Cus was adament about not fighting Liston for the longest time. You may have something with the ex con bit. He was seen as quite the thug back in the day, being a kneebreaker for the mob and all.

Yeah, a lot of controversy surrounding Liston, his REAL age, the second Ali fight, his death.

[Hawkins]

Yeah, a lot of controversy surrounding Liston, his REAL age, the second Ali fight, his death.

I think his associate with the mob is what held him back, that and everything else swirling around him. Had it not been for all of those 'whispers' he would have gotten a crack at the crown long before he actually did.

[Mike Tyson77]

I rember Liston use to beat people up in prison for money.


He had a good jab to.