Tysons heart.

[sterling]

Tyson had hurt all u gta see is the picture of him tryin to pick up his mouth piece after douglas uppercutted him he was tryin to pull it together he wasnt physically prepared for the fight because he was too relaxed and thought he was a push over big mistake there i mean look at the mouth piece half in the guys mouth he wanted to get up so bad but his legs were out of it.
Remember Tyson's closest inspiration died which is cuz dmato im not using it as a excuse but im saying he would of been alot stronger if he was stil alive for sure because he had no body close to him at all except that man.
I think he had alot of heart but once he started being immature he didnt have the will to train as hard as he used to so he cudnet be as good as he used to and we didnt see the full extent of his heart because of his mental state after prison.

[them_apples]

Tyson had heart during his reign, but after he lost it started to slide..and the "bald headed" Tyson had no heart at all, he was fighting for money, he said so himself he's tired of boxing.

[The Iron Man]

Tyson may not have come back many times while losing while in the ring, but he fought on dispite upsets out side the ring, Cus dieing and the Jimmy Jacobs dying was for Mike like losing two fathers yet he still fought on and won.

[Brassangel]

To an earlier comment, of which I posted in another thread as well:

Tyson did hurt Holyfield in the 5th round (I believe) of their first fight, with a hook to the body, uppercut combo. He didn't follow up because on their next close exchange, Holyfield landed a colossal headbutt that cut Mike's eye pretty bad.

In the 2nd round of their second fight, Mike started to fight back after losing the 1st round, and even pushed Holyfield backwards a couple of times in the clinches. He even started throwing punches on the way in, instead of just walking into a clinch. The commentators made mention of this, and the Holyfield landed another headbutt, tearing a big gash into Tyson's eyebrow once again.

I'm not saying these were intentional, but any spirit or heart Mike may have possessed to work his way back into those fights was thrown out the window and he reverted to being a short-tempered punk on the streets.

While his style was physically taxing, you could see from even his most recent bout with McBride, that he could outbox a much larger opponent for at least 6 rounds. Tyson was what... 40 years old then? He just didn't want it anymore and sat down. Even so, his style required a high punch output from the opening bell, which would certainly take a lot out of a guy if it didn't put the opponent down. That could have been disheartening for him to force himself to continue fighting even if he knew he was ahead on the scorecards. I would guess that it was doubly so in a scenario, like with Douglas, where Mike didn't even train properly and wasted a ton of energy missing or boucing haymakers off of Buster's gloves.

[butterfly1964]

To an earlier comment, of which I posted in another thread as well:

Tyson did hurt Holyfield in the 5th round (I believe) of their first fight, with a hook to the body, uppercut combo. He didn't follow up because on their next close exchange, Holyfield landed a colossal headbutt that cut Mike's eye pretty bad.

In the 2nd round of their second fight, Mike started to fight back after losing the 1st round, and even pushed Holyfield backwards a couple of times in the clinches. He even started throwing punches on the way in, instead of just walking into a clinch. The commentators made mention of this, and the Holyfield landed another headbutt, tearing a big gash into Tyson's eyebrow once again.

I'm not saying these were intentional, but any spirit or heart Mike may have possessed to work his way back into those fights was thrown out the window and he reverted to being a short-tempered punk on the streets.

While his style was physically taxing, you could see from even his most recent bout with McBride, that he could outbox a much larger opponent for at least 6 rounds. Tyson was what... 40 years old then? He just didn't want it anymore and sat down. Even so, his style required a high punch output from the opening bell, which would certainly take a lot out of a guy if it didn't put the opponent down. That could have been disheartening for him to force himself to continue fighting even if he knew he was ahead on the scorecards. I would guess that it was doubly so in a scenario, like with Douglas, where Mike didn't even train properly and wasted a ton of energy missing or boucing haymakers off of Buster's gloves.

Very good points, Brass.

[QueensburyRules]

To an earlier comment, of which I posted in another thread as well:

Tyson did hurt Holyfield in the 5th round (I believe) of their first fight, with a hook to the body, uppercut combo. He didn't follow up because on their next close exchange, Holyfield landed a colossal headbutt that cut Mike's eye pretty bad.

In the 2nd round of their second fight, Mike started to fight back after losing the 1st round, and even pushed Holyfield backwards a couple of times in the clinches. He even started throwing punches on the way in, instead of just walking into a clinch. The commentators made mention of this, and the Holyfield landed another headbutt, tearing a big gash into Tyson's eyebrow once again.

I'm not saying these were intentional, but any spirit or heart Mike may have possessed to work his way back into those fights was thrown out the window and he reverted to being a short-tempered punk on the streets.

While his style was physically taxing, you could see from even his most recent bout with McBride, that he could outbox a much larger opponent for at least 6 rounds. Tyson was what... 40 years old then? He just didn't want it anymore and sat down. Even so, his style required a high punch output from the opening bell, which would certainly take a lot out of a guy if it didn't put the opponent down. That could have been disheartening for him to force himself to continue fighting even if he knew he was ahead on the scorecards. I would guess that it was doubly so in a scenario, like with Douglas, where Mike didn't even train properly and wasted a ton of energy missing or boucing haymakers off of Buster's gloves.

- -Much of his lack of heart came from the embittered loony uncle Teddy whom Cus kicked out out of camp.

[tonysoprano]

Mike had plenty of heart. What he lacked was any real discipline out of the ring after the likes of Steve Lott and Rooney were fired. At least they kept him under some control.

Without them his life became a circus of drink, drugs, sex and bad business moves. I mean he went to prison for 3 years for ****. How many other top HW's did 3 years in jail then came out and still fought at World title level?

Crazy talent, totally self-destructive lifestyle.

[The Old LefHook]

His downfall.

[QueensburyRules]

Tyson had hurt all u gta see is the picture of him tryin to pick up his mouth piece after douglas uppercutted him he was tryin to pull it together he wasnt physically prepared for the fight because he was too relaxed and thought he was a push over big mistake there i mean look at the mouth piece half in the guys mouth he wanted to get up so bad but his legs were out of it.
Remember Tyson's closest inspiration died which is cuz dmato im not using it as a excuse but im saying he would of been alot stronger if he was stil alive for sure because he had no body close to him at all except that man.
I think he had alot of heart but once he started being immature he didnt have the will to train as hard as he used to so he cudnet be as good as he used to and we didnt see the full extent of his heart because of his mental state after prison.

- -Strangely Buster was massacred as a quitter after a very underrated classic against Tony Tucker, and with Mike coming off a high point of the $25 mil purse offered by the Chinese to be fought in their storied capital city, it was a severe deflation for Mike.

Add on his new comedy team of trainers with DKing buttering him up with the finest luxuries Tokyo had to offer, he was one fine stuffed turkey ready for a carving by n'er do wells.

[The Old LefHook]

It could have been lacking.