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[Hawkins]

ok. Please Explain your way of doing that then

Ok.

If you took Dempsey out the 20's and put him alongside Mike Tyson in the 80's he would benefit in many ways. He would most likely be bigger, stronger and faster because of the advancements in the nutritional, training and medicinal areas but he would also have the benefit of the advancements in boxing technique and training.


If you took Mike Tyson out of the 80's and placed him within the 20's all that he had, as far as the aforementioned areas would be stripped away and he would be a basic straight ahead brawler like Dempsey.

It's one of the pitfalls of comparing different eras. The newer fighters have advancements and advantages not afforded the older guys, yet you can't just dismiss the older guys on the order of ," Tyson was bigger and stronger and faster and more technical " because that is totally unfair.

Sure Tyson is bigger and stronger and technically better, but there is a reason for that. All newer fighters are going to be bigger and stronger and more technically sound because of all the conceptual differences in the areas mentioned.

[The Iron Man]

I think tyson had enough natural talent, and was a natural puncher to survive in the 20s. Remember he was always big and strong for his age.

[them_apples]

If you took Dempsey out the 20's and put him alongside Mike Tyson in the 80's he would benefit in many ways. He would most likely be bigger, stronger and faster because of the advancements in the nutritional, training and medicinal areas but he would also have the benefit of the advancements in boxing technique and training.

Mike Tyson was 200 lbs at the age of 13, the only physical enhancements would be the intense amount of push ups and sit ups he did (Cus didn't make him lift weights, you can find his workout if you google it) He ate lots of pasta (energy protien) and juices (sugars). No protien supplimient was taken during his reign, although after prison he may have started taking things...

Tyson ran with weight on his back performed about 2000 sit ups a day etc, these aren't things that couldn't be done back in the 1920's.

If your going to exclude workouts then you could basically say any boxer had the potential to be the greatest ever.

[Hawkins]

Mike Tyson was 200 lbs at the age of 13, the only physical enhancements would be the intense amount of push ups and sit ups he did (Cus didn't make him lift weights, you can find his workout if you google it) He ate lots of pasta (energy protien) and juices (sugars). No protien supplimient was taken during his reign, although after prison he may have started taking things...

Tyson ran with weight on his back performed about 2000 sit ups a day etc, these aren't things that couldn't be done back in the 1920's.

If your going to exclude workouts then you could basically say any boxer had the potential to be the greatest ever.

Nevermind.

[StarshipTrooper]

Ok.

If you took Dempsey out the 20's and put him alongside Mike Tyson in the 80's he would benefit in many ways. He would most likely be bigger, stronger and faster because of the advancements in the nutritional, training and medicinal areas but he would also have the benefit of the advancements in boxing technique and training.


If you took Mike Tyson out of the 80's and placed him within the 20's all that he had, as far as the aforementioned areas would be stripped away and he would be a basic straight ahead brawler like Dempsey.

It's one of the pitfalls of comparing different eras. The newer fighters have advancements and advantages not afforded the older guys, yet you can't just dismiss the older guys on the order of ," Tyson was bigger and stronger and faster and more technical " because that is totally unfair.

Sure Tyson is bigger and stronger and technically better, but there is a reason for that. All newer fighters are going to be bigger and stronger and more technically sound because of all the conceptual differences in the areas mentioned.

Better pre-natal care, better nutrition, cleaner water and air, vaccinations that eliminate childhood diseases that hinder growth, better medical care: All these things make for kids that grow up larger than previous generations. Kids growing up larger = larger adult athletes. Pure and simple. Older generations had none of these advantages hence their growth potential was limited. This isn't rocket science but unfortunately you'll have a hard time telling people who have already made up their minds anything.

Poet

[The Iron Man]

You do know were tyson grew up dont you? He was Naturaly big. Im very open to ideas and im not stubborn in these sorts of situations. But thats just not right.

[StarshipTrooper]

Ok.

If you took Dempsey out the 20's and put him alongside Mike Tyson in the 80's he would benefit in many ways. He would most likely be bigger, stronger and faster because of the advancements in the nutritional, training and medicinal areas but he would also have the benefit of the advancements in boxing technique and training.


If you took Mike Tyson out of the 80's and placed him within the 20's all that he had, as far as the aforementioned areas would be stripped away and he would be a basic straight ahead brawler like Dempsey.

It's one of the pitfalls of comparing different eras. The newer fighters have advancements and advantages not afforded the older guys, yet you can't just dismiss the older guys on the order of ," Tyson was bigger and stronger and faster and more technical " because that is totally unfair.

Sure Tyson is bigger and stronger and technically better, but there is a reason for that. All newer fighters are going to be bigger and stronger and more technically sound because of all the conceptual differences in the areas mentioned.

You do know were tyson grew up dont you? He was Naturaly big. Im very open to ideas and im not stubborn in these sorts of situations. But thats just not right.

He grew up in the Brownsville section of Brooklyn. Trust me, in the 1940s the air and water were a hell of a lot worse as was the nutrition and medical care. Just because it's a poor section of NYC doesn't invalidate the hypothisus. It may have escaped many's notice but this country has the wealthiest, best fed poor in the world. My God, unlike every other country in the world we have an obesity problem in our poorest. Please, have some perspective.

Poet

[The Iron Man]

But the thing is, they would include most other fighters, they all had better conditions growing up. But i struggle to see how that makes a difference in the greatness of a fighter. And both grew up in America, Tyson wasnt exactly well off and it couldnt have been a huge difference. And once Dempsey became a pro boxer he had all the things needed at that time to compete as tyson did. Every boxer in his time had to cope with the same thing!

[them_apples]

So how can we possibly compare old fighter's to new ones if your assuming the old ones would be "elite" fighters with todays technology, what, do you think there wouldn't be any good fighters what soever?

I think the only change is the fact that fighters lift weights now, There were guys 6'3 and 6'4 even in the 20's.

weight lifting was not on a boxers routine back in the day, and that is there own downfall, you can't automatically downplay greats from the 80's and 90's just because you remember the good Ol' days.

Also, older fighters smoked a lot, once again that's their own fault.

[StarshipTrooper]

But the thing is, they would include most other fighters, they all had better conditions growing up. But i struggle to see how that makes a difference in the greatness of a fighter. And both grew up in America, Tyson wasnt exactly well off and it couldnt have been a huge difference. And once Dempsey became a pro boxer he had all the things needed at that time to compete as tyson did. Every boxer in his time had to cope with the same thing!

It's important because when comparing Heavyweights of different eras people take the current crop and say: "Well, Louis or Dempsey couldn't POSSIBLY beat Jamille McCline because McCline out weighs them by 60 pounds." That why these are significant factors.

Poet