Top 10 Heavies from best to worst

[Barn]

Are these names in order of your rankings or just who you would have at these particular splits?

Just who I have, if that was my list I would hope you guys would ask me to leave the forum.

[JAB5239]

Just who I have, if that was my list I would hope you guys would ask me to leave the forum.

Lol, I was going to say that that really didn't sound like you, but I had to check!

[McGoorty]

Hand speed Ratings-- Out of 10 stars

Up To 200lbs--Hand speed rankings

DEMPSEY ---7 and a half ---------------CHARLES---8 and a half--------------Walcott----8--------------MOORE----8------------Patterson----9---------------TUNNEY----9-------------MARCIANO----5-----------------LANGFORD----7------------Fitzsimmons----7-------------DARCY----8----------------SHARKEY----5 and a half------------SCHMELING----6--------------BURNS----7----------------CORBETT----7 and a half-----------HOLYFIELD (if he qualifies)-----------------CONN----9 and a half--------------------

How did I go Barnburner ??

[Spit Venom]

when I talk about such a list, I talk about greatness.

it seems Jack Johnson is getting his due respect, at his age he wasnt.
nowadays Mike Tyson gets lotta critic as well as Rocky. is that fair?

well, heres my:

1. Ali
2.Louis
3.Johnson
4.Dempsey
5.Jeffries
6.Rocky
7.Liston
8.Foreman
9.Smokin Joe
10.Tyson
Tunney
Holmes
Holyfield
walcott
Petterson
Ezzard
Schmeling
Lennox

[DarkTerror88]

when I talk about such a list, I talk about greatness.

it seems Jack Johnson is getting his due respect, at his age he wasnt.
nowadays Mike Tyson gets lotta critic as well as Rocky. is that fair?

well, heres my:

1. Ali
2.Louis
3.Johnson
4.Dempsey
5.Jeffries
6.Rocky
7.Liston
8.Foreman
9.Smokin Joe
10.Tyson
Tunney
Holmes
Holyfield
walcott
Petterson
Ezzard
Schmeling
Lennox

Walcott over Charles? whaaat?

[Spit Venom]

Walcott over Charles? whaaat?

what what?

havent rank them, but charles and joes body of work at HW is noteable also
could add moore.

jes problem?

[Floyd Sinclair]

How is Jack Johnson not better then Joe Louis? Im a big Louis fan but i just watched a documentary on johnson and i honestly think he woulda destroyed Louis. Johnson should also be ahead of Dempsey. He was 37 when he lost to Jess Willard, before that it sounds like he was close to untouchable, but the interpretations of some of the fights back then seem very unclear...most likely because of the racism that existed in the world back then.

It seems like most of yall put louis ahead of johnson because he fought some fighters that were probably better then the competition johnson had, and they were alot more well known. But I think a prime Jack Johnson woulda beat Louis and anybody he ever fought

[JAB5239]

How is Jack Johnson not better then Joe Louis? Im a big Louis fan but i just watched a documentary on johnson and i honestly think he woulda destroyed Louis. Johnson should also be ahead of Dempsey. He was 37 when he lost to Jess Willard, before that it sounds like he was close to untouchable, but the interpretations of some of the fights back then seem very unclear...most likely because of the racism that existed in the world back then.

It seems like most of yall put louis ahead of johnson because he fought some fighters that were probably better then the competition johnson had, and they were alot more well known. But I think a prime Jack Johnson woulda beat Louis and anybody he ever fought

You're rating on fantasy h2h match ups instead of actual proven facts. Johnson was great, I believe I have him third or fourth all time. But Louis beat better fighters while never losing to fighters as inferior as Johnson lost to. Add in the 25 consecutive defenses and the fact the Johnson ducked Langford when Sam was clearly his most dangerous challenger and I don't think there should even be a debate as to who was greater heavyweight. Of course this is all just my opinion.

[Floyd Sinclair]

^^ thats respectable

The only thing you can really do with any comparison is go by the proven facts. Its just that what i have seen of jack johnson i believe that he woulda beat joe louis and everyone joe fought. When he was at his very best, he was very hard to hit because of the way he tied up his opponents so much and his movement. I've watched alotta old school legends like willie pep, sugar ray, louis, dempsey, etc. They all impressed me alot, i got ray robinson at #1 all time, but as far as heavyweights go i was amazed by jack johnson. Its too bad he didnt come around a little later, Id love to watch him fight louis, schmeling, baer, conn, walcott, etc. But the fact that i just named 5 real good heavyweights from that era and left out a few names says something about Louis's era. Im gonna have to put more thought into this and look for more jack johnson footage

[JAB5239]

^^ thats respectable

The only thing you can really do with any comparison is go by the proven facts. Its just that what i have seen of jack johnson i believe that he woulda beat joe louis and everyone joe fought. When he was at his very best, he was very hard to hit because of the way he tied up his opponents so much and his movement. I've watched alotta old school legends like willie pep, sugar ray, louis, dempsey, etc. They all impressed me alot, i got ray robinson at #1 all time, but as far as heavyweights go i was amazed by jack johnson. Its too bad he didnt come around a little later, Id love to watch him fight louis, schmeling, baer, conn, walcott, etc. But the fact that i just named 5 real good heavyweights from that era and left out a few names says something about Louis's era. Im gonna have to put more thought into this and look for more jack johnson footage

This isn't the right thread for it, but while we're on the subject....what are your thoughts of Greb or Langford rating higher than Robinson p4p? I wouldn't belittle anyone with Ray at #1, but in the last 18-24 months I've done quite a bit of reading and research and have elevated both ahead of Robby.