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Originally posted by Barnburner
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Yeah, that would be good that way, it's a lot to take in but that way we get all the main guys, I may need your help about their prime weights. I also think that the matchups are far more realistic with the three weight categories. I did forget Schmeling and Patterson and left out Aechie Moore as I consider him wasted at HW but having a UP TO 200 will bring him into the mix by widening the Cruiserweights, wow what a division, Langford, Burns, Fitz and dare I say lt, Daaarrr-SEA even. I ALSO Make you welcome into the MAFIA,... just allow me to be "The Don",... (no not Bradman). -
I'm happy to help in anyway possible.Originally posted by McGoorty View Post
So a set of ground rules.
- The fighters must have fought at Heavyweight before.
- We're going by prime weights and will put them into 3 categories.
- There must be footage of the fighters we are evaluating.
How are we going to do this list? Accomplishments and resume or H2H ability?Comment
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Head To Head first, NO fighters without footage,....... We can do a greatness list based on accomplishments, and Legacy later, that's a much easier thing to do,...... Can you help with a list of the Under 200 fighters fiirst, I know know of the obvious ones........ I think it would help if we go through strengths and weaknessess,...... Maybe a 1 to 5 points on things like Chin and power,........An Under 200 lb class will be very interesting,... I'm getting into this,.......... all on film, much less of a headache.Originally posted by Barnburner View PostComment
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Under 200
Dempsey
Charles
Walcott
Moore
Patterson
Tunney
Marciano
Langford
Fitzsimmons
Darcy
Jack Sharkey
Schmeling
Tommy Burns
Over 200 Less than 230.
Joe Louis (Although he is borderline)
Muhammad Ali
Max Baer
Joe Frazier
Sonny Liston
Ken Norton
Mike Tyson
Larry Holmes
Harry Wills
Prime Foreman
Jim Jeffries
Holyfield
Over 230
Vitali Klitschko
Wladimir Klitschko
Jess Williard
Rid**** Bowe
Primo Carnea
Past Prime Foreman
Lennox LewisLast edited by Barn; 08-12-2011, 06:07 AM.Comment
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Originally posted by Barnburner View PostI think Holyfield is at his best at the lighter weight... Do you agree ??...... Corbett's film is hard to judge, but you get an idea to his style.............. Should we count SAM McVey,........ I'm sure there may be more candidates........ Let Me Know what you think of my KO Power ratings ????..... I mean ONE PUNCH KO ability here....... I await your responce....... I will rate their CHINS Next.Comment
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Are these names in order of your rankings or just who you would have at these particular splits?Originally posted by Barnburner View PostComment
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I Think an important, factor is The fighters reach, and height, someone like Darcy who's short, had an enormous reach for someone 5ft 7in..... it was about 6ft 2in...... maybe the reason for his much vaunted power,.... I ranked his power lower at this weight,... I'd give him a 5 star rating at MW............. I think we need these stats ASAP....... especially comparing fighters with a big height difference........ Incidentally... does Billy Conn qualify ? ..he did fight HW's,... and a couple other LHW's.... were regular visitors to the HW's.Comment
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No Jab, me and Barn' are just trying to come up with shortlists first,..... so we can first discuss the different attributes and factors that can help us see how they'd go,.. Head to Head........... We want to be thorough,...... and we are goin to make 3 different lists based on these weight categories................ Join in with us if you want,.... We're doing just the Small HW's first........... Have we missed any candidates ?????Originally posted by JAB5239 View PostComment
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Tale of the tape
Up To 200lbs.........TALE Of The TAPE..Reach & Height,.. (Height in Brackets)Jim CORBETT...(185 cm)---185Bob Fitzsimmons....(182)--182Tommy Burns....(170)---185.... WOW !!Gene Tunney....(183)---196.. also impressive !!Jack Dempsey....(185)----196...YepEzzard CHARLES....(183)----185...Jersey Joe WALCOTT...(183)---188.Floyd Patterson...(183)----180.Evander HOLYFIELD...(189)----198..Billy CONN....(187)----184.Les DARCY....5ft 7in.......74 inches ???????? Can anybody convert inches and feet to Centimeters ??????......so I can compare to the others
Last edited by McGoorty; 08-12-2011, 09:38 AM.Comment
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Les DARCY........5.7'....6.2' = 173 cm...& 189 cm's REACH....... Now that's some reach !!!!!........ His reach is superior to Corbett's....Fitzy....Burns.....Ezzard C.,.....Walcott's...Patterson.... Marciano (Darcy has 19 cm on him).......CONN.... and JOE FRAZIER.......... ROCKY MARCIANO....180 tall & 170 in reach........ that gives Rocky a big disadvantage in reach to all the others,..... His height is superior to some (the obvious ones)/Originally posted by McGoorty View PostUp To 200lbs.........TALE Of The TAPE..Reach & Height,.. (Height in Brackets)Jim CORBETT...(185 cm)---185Bob Fitzsimmons....(182)--182Tommy Burns....(170)---185.... WOW !!Gene Tunney....(183)---196.. also impressive !!Jack Dempsey....(185)----196...YepEzzard CHARLES....(183)----185...Jersey Joe WALCOTT...(183)---188.Floyd Patterson...(183)----180.Evander HOLYFIELD...(189)----198..Billy CONN....(187)----184.Les DARCY....5ft 7in.......74 inches ???????? Can anybody convert inches and feet to Centimeters ??????......so I can compare to the othersLast edited by McGoorty; 08-12-2011, 09:56 AM.Comment
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