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  • The Old LefHook
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    #61
    They've been schoolt.

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    • GhostofDempsey
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      #62
      Originally posted by Bundana
      Arcel was probably the biggest Dempsey fanboy ever, and his hyperbolic tellings of Jack's greatness should be taken with a grain of salt.

      That Tunney had his own reasons for talking up Dempsey is surely only too obvious!

      As for Stillman watching Dempsey ko'ing Galento with the hardest punch he ever saw... well, that simply never happened! Just one of boxing's many myths.
      Who are your sources? More anonymous tales form the beyond?

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      • Bundana
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        #63
        Originally posted by GhostofDempsey
        Who are your sources? More anonymous tales form the beyond?
        If Dempsey had actually knocked Galento cold with one mighty punch, 7 years after his retirement... it would no doubt have been headline news at the time!

        But it wasn't, as it was just a case of Dempsey stepping into the ring to give Galento som pointers, and show him how it was done.



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        • Marchegiano
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          #64
          Bundana has the San Jose News and The Evening Independent, here's a third for your candy; The Bismark Tribune



          Now and
          then life gets sort of thick and bother
          some for William Harrison Dempsey
          and when the old champion gets to
          feeling that way he's liable to cause
          some one trouble.
          He's bothered now. and the fellow
          who has all the proof of what he
          needs is Tony Galento, a veritable
          monster of a heavyweight, though most
          of it is about his waistline.
          Dempsey was just saying Monday
          that he hasn't had a real night's sleep
          in five nights what with keeping ready
          every moment to rush over to the
          Polyclinic hospital where Mrs. Demp
          sey is expecting a baby any time now.
          So Jack thought he'd take his mind
          off all his cares for a few moments
          and see how Galento, a pretty good
          heavyweight, was getting along in his
          workout at Stillman's gymnasium.
          Galento. in whom Dempsey Is inter
          ested, was doing just fair.
          He called for a set of ring tights
          and a shirt and he tied on the heavy
          gloves.
          "Now I'll show you.” he said.
          "When you throw a left hook, make it
          short . . . like this!"
          Dempsey's fist disappeared in Gla
          ento's abdomen and Tony looked a
          little sick. This went on for two
          rounds of two minutes each. At the
          end the Newark heavyweight's lips
          were split and he was backing up all
          over the place.
          Dempsey patted his
          shoulder and climbed out of there.
          *1 feel a lot better,” he said.



          Far from a KO


          Like I told you Ghost, source material beats boot licking. I like what CBZ has done right but a lot of their **** is in the same vein as Nat himself. Plagiarism and lies to help sell their glorification books. Even their lineal list is ****.

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          • HOUDINI563
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            #65
            The teens and twenty’s were a very racist time. The history of Dempsey Wills is very well known history. The best books regarding Dempsey put little blame upon him. Those that controlled the sport and even more important our elected officials did not want a mixed race bout in the heavyweight division for fear of race riots like those that occurred post Johnson Jeffries.

            Dempsey himself stated that those who publicly seemed to push the bout to occur were telling Dempsey it was not going to happen.

            Three quotes reveal Dempseys greatness. He was a far more skilled fighter than either Marciano or Frazier for that matter:

            Sam Langford:
            “Dempsey is the greatest fighter I have ever seen.”

            Jack Sharkey:
            “I never thought anyone could hit that hard. He came at you in a little ball and when he hit your shoulder he broke your shoulder. When he hit you to the body it felt like his fist was coming out your back. When he hit your hip he dislocated your hip.”

            Jersey Jones (fighter 50-4, promoter, writer, manager):
            “He was mean and determined. At his peak Jack Dempsey was the most dynamic and devastating heavyweight this commentator has ever seen. Jack had speed, strength, better than average boxing skills, lusty punching power and a blazing spirit.”

            Comments by Arcel, Schmeling, Fleischer (who attended thousands of bouts all over the world), Tunney, and dozens others are “window dressing”. The comments from Langford and Sharkey, if your being honest, should be all you need. But how about a modern critical Video analysis:

            https://*************/watch?v=lrt3KqTXIUA

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              #66
              Originally posted by Bundana
              If Dempsey had actually knocked Galento cold with one mighty punch, 7 years after his retirement... it would no doubt have been headline news at the time!

              But it wasn't, as it was just a case of Dempsey stepping into the ring to give Galento som pointers, and show him how it was done.



              https://news.google.co.uk/newspapers...+galento&hl=en
              That captures one day, and he said he would be back again. I’m still inclined to believe Arcel, Stilman, and several others who witnessed the ass whooping.

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                #67
                Originally posted by Marchegiano
                Bundana has the San Jose News and The Evening Independent, here's a third for your candy; The Bismark Tribune



                Now and
                then life gets sort of thick and bother
                some for William Harrison Dempsey
                and when the old champion gets to
                feeling that way he's liable to cause
                some one trouble.
                He's bothered now. and the fellow
                who has all the proof of what he
                needs is Tony Galento, a veritable
                monster of a heavyweight, though most
                of it is about his waistline.
                Dempsey was just saying Monday
                that he hasn't had a real night's sleep
                in five nights what with keeping ready
                every moment to rush over to the
                Polyclinic hospital where Mrs. Demp
                sey is expecting a baby any time now.
                So Jack thought he'd take his mind
                off all his cares for a few moments
                and see how Galento, a pretty good
                heavyweight, was getting along in his
                workout at Stillman's gymnasium.
                Galento. in whom Dempsey Is inter
                ested, was doing just fair.
                He called for a set of ring tights
                and a shirt and he tied on the heavy
                gloves.
                "Now I'll show you.” he said.
                "When you throw a left hook, make it
                short . . . like this!"
                Dempsey's fist disappeared in Gla
                ento's abdomen and Tony looked a
                little sick. This went on for two
                rounds of two minutes each. At the
                end the Newark heavyweight's lips
                were split and he was backing up all
                over the place.
                Dempsey patted his
                shoulder and climbed out of there.
                *1 feel a lot better,” he said.



                Far from a KO


                Like I told you Ghost, source material beats boot licking. I like what CBZ has done right but a lot of their **** is in the same vein as Nat himself. Plagiarism and lies to help sell their glorification books. Even their lineal list is ****.
                Who wrote the article? Ah, another anonymous source. You didn’t even bother to read my post, so I won’t waste too much time responding. I provide names and you provide anonymous sources. We’ve already touched upon the liberties taken in the press, especially during an era before fact checking and video proof.

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                • Bundana
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                  #68
                  Originally posted by HOUDINI563
                  Jack Sharkey:
                  “I never thought anyone could hit that hard. He came at you in a little ball and when he hit your shoulder he broke your shoulder. When he hit you to the body it felt like his fist was coming out your back. When he hit your hip he dislocated your hip.”
                  Can you give us some examples of fights, where Dempsey broke an opponent's shoulder or dislocated his hip?

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                  • HOUDINI563
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                    #69
                    If I have to explain that quote suggest you go back and finish high school.

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                    • Bundana
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                      #70
                      Originally posted by HOUDINI563
                      If I have to explain that quote suggest you go back and finish high school.
                      Nothing to explain... just tell us when Dempsey broke shoulders and dislocated hips.

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