More punching power: Tyson or Marciano?

[XionComrade]

Yeah man no doubt in my mind that Tyson was the better puncher, but Marciano had power that made Tyson's shots feel like nothing. Not to say Tyson did not have knockout power, he could knockout anyone in history, just not with one shot.

[BKM-]

If you don't think tyson had as much power in 1 punch, watch this

It's just that Marciano carried this golden punch the whole fight.

[dog1dog2]

I feel like I get a little bit dumber every time I read through this thread, and I'm left to wonder; why has Salvatore32 not attempted to rebut my posts? Hmmm...

[Benny Leonard]

Tyson didn't hit at 1750 PSI, he hit at 1350 PSI. Also, Marciano never had a PSI test.

When did all this take place?

Rooney, in an interview, said Mike never took a PSI test because Cayton would never allow Mike to throw a punch as hard as he could for no reaon/no fight/no MONEY.

[Benny Leonard]

archie moore said marciano hit pretty hard but it wasnt the power, it was the pace he kept up

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/archie1209.htm


Marciano eventually wore Moore down, to the point where the referee wanted to stop the fight after eight rounds.

"Oh, no," an exhausted Moore protested. "I want to be counted out. I'm a champion, too."

But Moore's bloodiest fight was not his loss to Marciano, or his wars with Johnson and Maxim. It came in 1958, in the first of his title defenses against the Canadian Durelle.
Moore, who was to win on an 11th-round knockout, was floored four times.

"The first time he put me down ... I thought 'Wow, this guy can hit,' " Moore recalled. "They said Marciano was a house wrecker, and he was, but it took him a volley to get the job done. This guy ... one punch."

[Benny Leonard]

The best k.o win tyson has is Micheal Spinks, he k.od a bunch of no names just like my hero(Julio Cesar Chavez- not being sarcastic on chavez)Tyson really didnt have great power as people believed, he just established a reputation of a monster that will never be beat, he fought on t.v 16 times a year in 86 and 87 and beat no names, we all know how it went for him with real opposition like Lewis and Evander

Spinks is actually a good example at comparing the power...

Spinks was one of the greatest light-heavyweights ever. When he fought Tyson, he was undefeated, which means he had never been knocked out, and if I recall, never hit the canvas as a pro.

So, you have a "Fresh", "Great" (now Former) Light-Heavyweight Champion, who filled out and became a Heavyweight Champion (after beating Holmes), facing a 5'11, 220 pound heavyweight in Mike Tyson.

What happened, this happened:



Lets remember, Marciano had trouble knocking out LaStarza in the first fight, despite hitting him flush a number of times. Someobdy already mentioned that Moore took flush shots, especially from the mid rounds on from Marciano.
Charles took some nice shots and Archie Moore took a beating.

A key note that we might have to look into is this:
Fighters like Charles, Moore, and Walcott, had all been knocked out several times before, and what happens to a fighter that is knocked out, he suffers a concussion, or so I hear and read in several sources. There are a lot of people that cannot recover from one knockout or concussion, let alone several. How much does this play into everything, depends on how much you want to look into it. Factor in age of the fighters as well, and how many wars and or fights they had prior. In addition, the weight/frame (and I am talking about muscle weight), of the opponents they had to fight.


It would be best to compare Marciano's power with fighters under 200 pounds.


And to the person that said Marciano was a "Better Boxer than Tyson", WOW, I guess it does prove that two people can watch the same thing and see two different things.

[Southpaw Stinger]

Spinks is actually a good example at comparing the power...

Spinks was one of the greatest light-heavyweights ever. When he fought Tyson, he was undefeated, which means he had never been knocked out, and if I recall, never hit the canvas as a pro.

So, you have a "Fresh", "Great" (now Former) Light-Heavyweight Champion, who filled out and became a Heavyweight Champion (after beating Holmes), facing a 5'11, 220 pound heavyweight in Mike Tyson.

What happened, this happened:



Lets remember, Marciano had trouble knocking out LaStarza in the first fight, despite hitting him flush a number of times. Someobdy already mentioned that Moore took flush shots, especially from the mid rounds on from Marciano.
Charles took some nice shots and Archie Moore took a beating.

A key note that we might have to look into is this:
Fighters like Charles, Moore, and Walcott, had all been knocked out several times before, and what happens to a fighter that is knocked out, he suffers a concussion, or so I hear and read in several sources. There are a lot of people that cannot recover from one knockout or concussion, let alone several. How much does this play into everything, depends on how much you want to look into it. Factor in age of the fighters as well, and how many wars and or fights they had prior. In addition, the weight/frame (and I am talking about muscle weight), of the opponents they had to fight.


It would be best to compare Marciano's power with fighters under 200 pounds.


And to the person that said Marciano was a "Better Boxer than Tyson", WOW, I guess it does prove that two people can watch the same thing and see two different things.

best post in the thread.

[Benny Leonard]

Tyson


Remembering Tyson's incredible speed of hand and agile ability as a youngster, incredible


Good Highlights of Marciano

Pt 1


Pt 2



Tyson and Marciano came to fight and excite the crowd in their primes.

[Benny Leonard]

If you go by what many say about the body of a "Man", Tyson would not have been in his physical "prime" nor "mental" (if you want to add that in to the equation) in what people determine was his "Prime." (which was only because we are basing it on him getting rid of Rooney and declining in his skill as a result); Tyson's physical prime should of been what many say is when they hit their "Man stage", 25+ years old.


Also of note: According to an inteview (on another site) from one of Tyson's handlers (when he was with Rooney), Tyson was far more impressive in Training/Gym than he was in his fights. This was because Tyson was more relaxed in the Gym and could display what Rooney was teaching him and having him do. If I remember correctly, I think he stated Tyson was fighting with less than half or even 10% of what he was displaying in the gym.
This is why people say fighting in the gym is different than fighting under the lights.

I wonder however if Tyson had stayed with Rooney, matured into his 20's, giving him that time to become a "Master" of the D'amato style, building his mind of understanding the fight game inside the ring, how much better would have Tyson had been.

But this is the problem and this is why some people feel disgusted towards Tyson, people feel he through it all away, that "we were cheated" of someone that could of and probably should have been the best.

But who knows...


Hope there is a "who hits harder, Marciano or Foreman "thread



Pt 2

[XionComrade]

best post in the thread.

About Marciano being the better boxer, the whole deffinition of what makes a boxer a boxer is the ability to hit and not get hit, whether it is hit them so they can't hit you back, hit them and move so they can't hit back, or just stay away and jab that is what makes a well rounded boxer. Marciano was good at hitting and slipping punches, lets give him credit their, better than any heavyweight I have ever seen.