More punching power: Tyson or Marciano?

[catskills23]

If you go by what many say about the body of a "Man", Tyson would not have been in his physical "prime" nor "mental" (if you want to add that in to the equation) in what people determine was his "Prime." (which was only because we are basing it on him getting rid of Rooney and declining in his skill as a result); Tyson's physical prime should of been what many say is when they hit their "Man stage", 25+ years old.


Also of note: According to an inteview (on another site) from one of Tyson's handlers (when he was with Rooney), Tyson was far more impressive in Training/Gym than he was in his fights. This was because Tyson was more relaxed in the Gym and could display what Rooney was teaching him and having him do. If I remember correctly, I think he stated Tyson was fighting with less than half or even 10% of what he was displaying in the gym.
This is why people say fighting in the gym is different than fighting under the lights.

I wonder however if Tyson had stayed with Rooney, matured into his 20's, giving him that time to become a "Master" of the D'amato style, building his mind of understanding the fight game inside the ring, how much better would have Tyson had been.

But this is the problem and this is why some people feel disgusted towards Tyson, people feel he through it all away, that "we were cheated" of someone that could of and probably should have been the best.

But who knows...


Hope there is a "who hits harder, Marciano or Foreman "thread



Pt 2

i would agree with that if you have ever seen tyson sparring under rooney he looked a much more complete fighter than when he was in the ring defending his titles. He was quick , punched harder and more accurate , more headmovement and better footwork, balance and did moves that he never even dreamed of doing in the in the pro ring . You only have to look at his exhibition with sanders , the speed , the power he was a year older than when he lost to mcbride but he boxed and moved like he was 20 years younger. if the tyson who sparred with sanders fought any of the title holders today he would knock them out in one round but tyson isnt able to handle the spotlight and scrutiny anymore and doesent have the believe and that is why he coouldnt beat mcbride. he doesent have the believe or desire that he had with rooney . with rooney tyson was always scared of his opponent but he deflected that fear on to his opponent now when an opponent doesnt fall in one round and starts to tie him up him up the fear he has is deflected on himself and no longer is deflected on his opponent . he becomes afraid of loosing and gives up . Fear of failure is failure waiting to happen. They say boxing is 90% mental and 10 % physical and tyson opitimises that theory better than any fighter. It really is extraordinary to look at tyson against sanders and the tyson who lost to mcbride . They are like 2 completely different fighters . Its almost impossible for one to believe that they are the same guy but they are . It really is extraordinary.

[realheavyhands]

i would agree with that if you have ever seen tyson sparring under rooney he looked a much more complete fighter than when he was in the ring defending his titles. He was quick , punched harder and more accurate , more headmovement and better footwork, balance and did moves that he never even dreamed of doing in the in the pro ring . You only have to look at his exhibition with sanders , the speed , the power he was a year older than when he lost to mcbride but he boxed and moved like he was 20 years younger. if the tyson who sparred with sanders fought any of the title holders today he would knock them out in one round but tyson isnt able to handle the spotlight and scrutiny anymore and doesent have the believe and that is why he coouldnt beat mcbride. he doesent have the believe or desire that he had with rooney . with rooney tyson was always scared of his opponent but he deflected that fear on to his opponent now when an opponent doesnt fall in one round and starts to tie him up him up the fear he has is deflected on himself and no longer is deflected on his opponent . he becomes afraid of loosing and gives up . Fear of failure is failure waiting to happen. They say boxing is 90% mental and 10 % physical and tyson opitimises that theory better than any fighter. It really is extraordinary to look at tyson against sanders and the tyson who lost to mcbride . They are like 2 completely different fighters . Its almost impossible for one to believe that they are the same guy but they are . It really is extraordinary.

tysons knee wasnt all the way heeled and your giving rooney way too much credit.. he abused his power after cus dmato died.. rooney sucks as a trainer thats why he has no fighters now that are any good

[Panamaniac]

I would say Tyson by far. Marciano, a devastating puncher in his own right, wore most of his opponents down with a cumulative effect of punches. Tyson, on the other hand, could (and did) knock mother****ers out with one punch - with either hand. Hell, I seen him knock this dude down with a jab! The true measure of his punching prowess is manifested in the number of fights he terminated within 3 rounds.

It could also be argued that among heavyweights, Tyson was the single most devastating puncher of all times. A fellow by the name of George Foreman was also a brute, until Muhammad Ali rudely interrupted his journey toward becoming a legendary puncher. I'll never forget the jarring effect of a left hook that litterally lifted Joe Frazier off his feet before depositing him to the canvas in Jamaica.

Top 10 Heavyweight Punchers:

1. Mike Tyson
2. George Foreman
3. Sonny Liston
4. Joe Louis
5. Rocky Marciano
6. Jack Dempsey
7. Jack Johnson
8. Joe Frazier
9. Primo Carnera
10. Muhammad Ali

[Tmb04]

Tyson Easily

[AIR_KENG]

If you go by what many say about the body of a "Man", Tyson would not have been in his physical "prime" nor "mental" (if you want to add that in to the equation) in what people determine was his "Prime." (which was only because we are basing it on him getting rid of Rooney and declining in his skill as a result); Tyson's physical prime should of been what many say is when they hit their "Man stage", 25+ years old.


Also of note: According to an inteview (on another site) from one of Tyson's handlers (when he was with Rooney), Tyson was far more impressive in Training/Gym than he was in his fights. This was because Tyson was more relaxed in the Gym and could display what Rooney was teaching him and having him do. If I remember correctly, I think he stated Tyson was fighting with less than half or even 10% of what he was displaying in the gym.
This is why people say fighting in the gym is different than fighting under the lights.

I wonder however if Tyson had stayed with Rooney, matured into his 20's, giving him that time to become a "Master" of the D'amato style, building his mind of understanding the fight game inside the ring, how much better would have Tyson had been.

But this is the problem and this is why some people feel disgusted towards Tyson, people feel he through it all away, that "we were cheated" of someone that could of and probably should have been the best.

But who knows...


Hope there is a "who hits harder, Marciano or Foreman "thread



Pt 2

best poster by far in this thread... karma your way...

[realheavyhands]

I would say Tyson by far. Marciano, a devastating puncher in his own right, wore most of his opponents down with a cumulative effect of punches. Tyson, on the other hand, could (and did) knock mother****ers out with one punch - with either hand. Hell, I seen him knock this dude down with a jab! The true measure of his punching prowess is manifested in the number of fights he terminated within 3 rounds.

It could also be argued that among heavyweights, Tyson was the single most devastating puncher of all times. A fellow by the name of George Foreman was also a brute, until Muhammad Ali rudely interrupted his journey toward becoming a legendary puncher. I'll never forget the jarring effect of a left hook that litterally lifted Joe Frazier off his feet before depositing him to the canvas in Jamaica.

Top 10 Heavyweight Punchers:

1. Mike Tyson
2. George Foreman
3. Sonny Liston
4. Joe Louis
5. Rocky Marciano
6. Jack Dempsey
7. Jack Johnson
8. Joe Frazier
9. Primo Carnera
10. Muhammad Ali

what about earnie shavers

[bill1234]

I would say Tyson by far. Marciano, a devastating puncher in his own right, wore most of his opponents down with a cumulative effect of punches. Tyson, on the other hand, could (and did) knock mother****ers out with one punch - with either hand. Hell, I seen him knock this dude down with a jab! The true measure of his punching prowess is manifested in the number of fights he terminated within 3 rounds.

It could also be argued that among heavyweights, Tyson was the single most devastating puncher of all times. A fellow by the name of George Foreman was also a brute, until Muhammad Ali rudely interrupted his journey toward becoming a legendary puncher. I'll never forget the jarring effect of a left hook that litterally lifted Joe Frazier off his feet before depositing him to the canvas in Jamaica.

Top 10 Heavyweight Punchers:

1. Mike Tyson
2. George Foreman
3. Sonny Liston
4. Joe Louis
5. Rocky Marciano
6. Jack Dempsey
7. Jack Johnson
8. Joe Frazier
9. Primo Carnera
10. Muhammad Ali

Having Joe Frazier, Primo Carnera, MUHAMMAD ALI and Jack Johnson over Earnie Shavers as a puncher is obsurd. None of them hit harder than Shavers. Shavers has the hardest single punch in boxing history.

[Panamaniac]

what about earnie shavers

To be perfectly honest with you, I thought about him, but left him off the list because he never became a champion.

[Panamaniac]

Having Joe Frazier, Primo Carnera, MUHAMMAD ALI and Jack Johnson over Earnie Shavers as a puncher is obsurd. None of them hit harder than Shavers. Shavers has the hardest single punch in boxing history.

In boxing history?! That's quite a stretch. Do you know this to be an incontrovertible scientific fact?

[butterfly1964]

Having Joe Frazier, Primo Carnera, MUHAMMAD ALI and Jack Johnson over Earnie Shavers as a puncher is obsurd. None of them hit harder than Shavers. Shavers has the hardest single punch in boxing history.

Tyson KO4 Peak Larry Holmes