Bob Fitzsimmons vs. George Foreman

[Bucktown Beast]

I'm not sure why so many are amused by this, as I agree with Kid, I don't think its out of the question at least.
Foreman was very strong but Ali was able to handle him alright in the clinches.
Jeffries was a beast of a man, and here is just one example I can give, from http://coxscorner.tripod.com/jeffries.html:

Gilbert Odd, a historian and boxing book author wrote, "James J. Jeffries was the strongest of all the heavyweight champions" (1974, 18). According to those in Jeffries training camp, Jeff, "a lover of hunting, once killed a large deer and carried it on his shoulders nine miles to camp without stopping to rest. Friends who accompanied him had difficulty keeping up with him on the jaunt home" (Tracy Callis).

No. Its absolutely ridiculous to think Jim Jeffries was anywhere near as strong or durable as George Foreman. Lets not forget how the "legend' of old boxers get blown out of proportion through time. That deer carrying story sounds like some nonsense Bert Sugar would spew. Jeffries was strong for back then when heavyweights weighed 170 pounds.

George Foreman is a ferocious physical specimen with few peers. He was not a normal human. He lifted people off the ground with punches, he put craters in heavybags. He knocked full grown heavyweights out with wide looping arm punches. He was a 6 foot 3, 220 pound lean mean wrecking machine in his prime of the greatest era of heavyweights.

Jim Jeffries would get ****in destroyed by George. Bludgeoned...beat down. He wouldn't even put up half a battle. The men Foreman knocked out in the first round would have KOed Jim Jeffries with their eyes closed. Lets be real folks.

[butterfly1964]

The men Foreman knocked out in the first round would have KOed Jim Jeffries with their eyes closed.

I think that might be pushing it a little.

[brownpimp88]

jack Johnson got knocked out by the most talentless linear heavyweight champ of all times, how ****in sad is that. Yes, he has lost to a natural 140 pounder too.

[BKM-]

No. Its absolutely ridiculous to think Jim Jeffries was anywhere near as strong or durable as George Foreman. Lets not forget how the "legend' of old boxers get blown out of proportion through time. That deer carrying story sounds like some nonsense Bert Sugar would spew. Jeffries was strong for back then when heavyweights weighed 170 pounds.

George Foreman is a ferocious physical specimen with few peers. He was not a normal human. He lifted people off the ground with punches, he put craters in heavybags. He knocked full grown heavyweights out with wide looping arm punches. He was a 6 foot 3, 220 pound lean mean wrecking machine in his prime of the greatest era of heavyweights.

Jim Jeffries would get ****in destroyed by George. Bludgeoned...beat down. He wouldn't even put up half a battle. The men Foreman knocked out in the first round would have KOed Jim Jeffries with their eyes closed. Lets be real folks.

I think you need to get over Foreman's invincibility and stop overrating him. You're making a fool out of yourself. Foreman WAS a normal human, he DID NOT lift people off the ground with punches, he DID NOT knock guys out with wide looping arm punches.
And it's not impossible for Jeffries to have been able to carry a deer like that. After all, very strong men can do that, and Jeffries was told to be extremely strong.

[SABBATH]

I don't know how heavy the deer was that Jeffries carried, but I do know how heavy a Jeep is and Foreman used to harness one to his torso and pull it while running laps around his Texas farm when training for a fight.

[Bucktown Beast]

I think you need to get over Foreman's invincibility and stop overrating him. You're making a fool out of yourself. Foreman WAS a normal human, he DID NOT lift people off the ground with punches, he DID NOT knock guys out with wide looping arm punches.
And it's not impossible for Jeffries to have been able to carry a deer like that. After all, very strong men can do that, and Jeffries was told to be extremely strong.

Whos making a fool of himself? Me, or you who actually thinks some 190 pound hick with 20 fights could have hung with the most destructive heavyweight force of our era? Youre the fool...have u ever seen young Foreman fight? George was not normal...his strength and heavy handeness surpassed that of even a powerful heavyweight. He tore heavybags open. Truth be told that he used to chop down trees in a few swings. Nobodys calling him invincible, but Jim Jeffries just couldnt hang. Plain and simple. Tell me one other heavyweight who was powerful enough to knock people out with arm punches...no technique, no body behind it, just arms flailing and KOs to follow. Thats a testament to the kind of thud that his fists had.

I am not overrating his strength at all. Who are u telling that he didnt lift people off the ground with his punches?? I guess you missed the Frazier fight...if u think that was a fluke then go try and catch him vs Stanford Harris where he sent this grown ****in man AIRBORN from a right hand. Foreman was certainly beatable but he is widely credited with having the most powerful heavyweight punch along with Ernie Shavers. What is Jeffries accredited with? Carrying a lamb 2 miles on his back? Wheres the evidence of Jeffries super trength other than anecdotes and word of mouth...

I think that might be pushing it a little.

Was exaggerating ofcourse, but I stand by the fact that Jeffries was not in the league of the modern heavyweight boxer.

[BKM-]

Whos making a fool of himself? Me, or you who actually thinks some 190 pound hick with 20 fights could have hung with the most destructive heavyweight force of our era? Youre the fool...have u ever seen young Foreman fight? George was not normal...his strength and heavy handeness surpassed that of even a powerful heavyweight. He tore heavybags open. Truth be told that he used to chop down trees in a few swings. Nobodys calling him invincible, but Jim Jeffries just couldnt hang. Plain and simple. Tell me one other heavyweight who was powerful enough to knock people out with arm punches...no technique, no body behind it, just arms flailing and KOs to follow. Thats a testament to the kind of thud that his fists had.

I am not overrating his strength at all. Who are u telling that he didnt lift people off the ground with his punches?? I guess you missed the Frazier fight...if u think that was a fluke then go try and catch him vs Stanford Harris where he sent this grown ****in man AIRBORN from a right hand. Foreman was certainly beatable but he is widely credited with having the most powerful heavyweight punch along with Ernie Shavers. What is Jeffries accredited with? Carrying a lamb 2 miles on his back? Wheres the evidence of Jeffries super trength other than anecdotes and word of mouth...




Was exaggerating ofcourse, but I stand by the fact that Jeffries was not in the league of the modern heavyweight boxer.

You are making a fool out of yourself just now by arguing about things i didn't even mention in my post. I was responding to your blind view on the overrated Foreman. I already said Foreman would easily dismantel the much smaller Fitzsimmons and said nothing about jeffries beating him.
Again, if you have some dna proof of George Foreman being an alien out of space get back at me, till then, Foreman is a normal human like the rest of us! He was gifted with physical abilities that were greater than usual, yes. But you're making him out to be some superman way above the rest. Giving me good laughs about Big George ripping bags open and sending opponents flying 10 feet above the ring. You exaggerated just about everything about him.
It's impossible to lift an opponent off the ground with a punch. Frazier didn't have any legs when that last uppercut hit him, he couldn't support his weight on his knee, wich is what he was trying to do, and thats why he jumped up like that.. Ask people here and everybody will agree with that.
Foreman did put some weight into his punches. Either way, if you have power, you can use it wether you throw ''arm punches'' or put technique into it. Foreman didn't do the last, wich is why he was a sloppy puncher. Him being a powerfull arm puncher is not that special.

Was exaggerating ofcourse

Riiiiight. Whatever you say scrappy.

[hemichromis]

P4P fitzsimmons would win and IMO wouldn't have that difficult-a-time. but with a 50lbs weight advantage foreman would destroy him!

[Bucktown Beast]

You are making a fool out of yourself just now by arguing about things i didn't even mention in my post. I was responding to your blind view on the overrated Foreman. I already said Foreman would easily dismantel the much smaller Fitzsimmons and said nothing about jeffries beating him.
Again, if you have some dna proof of George Foreman being an alien out of space get back at me, till then, Foreman is a normal human like the rest of us! He was gifted with physical abilities that were greater than usual, yes. But you're making him out to be some superman way above the rest. Giving me good laughs about Big George ripping bags open and sending opponents flying 10 feet above the ring. You exaggerated just about everything about him.
It's impossible to lift an opponent off the ground with a punch. Frazier didn't have any legs when that last uppercut hit him, he couldn't support his weight on his knee, wich is what he was trying to do, and thats why he jumped up like that.. Ask people here and everybody will agree with that.
Foreman did put some weight into his punches. Either way, if you have power, you can use it wether you throw ''arm punches'' or put technique into it. Foreman didn't do the last, wich is why he was a sloppy puncher. Him being a powerfull arm puncher is not that special.


Riiiiight. Whatever you say scrappy.

You are saying Jeffriens strength was comparable to Foreman's. It wasnt. Plain and simple. Get your head out of your ass and realize I am not calling Foreman super human. Can u read? I am calling him extremely powerful. Was he not? Much stronger than the average man, stronger than the average heavyweight.

Its impossible to lift an opponent off the ground with a punch? I saw Foreman do it with my own yes, how the **** u gonna tell me?

If youve ever boxed then you would know that knocking people OUT with arm punches is a testament to incredible power. Throwing long arm punches with no body behind it sacrifices most of a persons punching power. Plain and simple.

Theres video evidence to back up everything I am saying. I didnt make this **** up out of thin air. You cant back up **** about Jeffries. He was considered strong for his time, fought a bunch of farm hands and cowboys, then got beat by Jack Johnson and never fought again. He was not great. Im not even a fan of George, but he is what he is. A devastating puncher and incredibly strong athlete.

[BKM-]

You are saying Jeffriens strength was comparable to Foreman's. It wasnt. Plain and simple. Get your head out of your ass and realize I am not calling Foreman super human. Can u read? I am calling him extremely powerful. Was he not? Much stronger than the average man, stronger than the average heavyweight.

You seem to have a habbit of putting words into people's mouth dont you? I didn't compare Jeffries strength to Foreman's. I only made a comment about Jeffries' story, that it's possible. You don't know anything about the man anyway, i doubt you even know what he looks like.

I am calling him extremely powerful. Was he not? Much stronger than the average man, stronger than the average heavyweight.

I agree. I said it a few posts ago. Ditto!!! You think he's a superman because you exaggerated everything about him. You even admitted it yourself.

Was exaggerating ofcource

And if there is video evidence, why won't you post it? I wanna see those guys getting lifted by punches.