Who could beat a prime George Foreman?

[Sir_Jose]

Dempsey, Firpo, Louis, Lyle, Celeveland Williams, Tyson (uphill battle for him), Marciano (same), Max Baer, Johnson, Ali, Liston, Quarry, Langford, Bowe, Lewis, Holyfield (maybe) Vitali Klitschko, Wladimir Klitschko, David Tua, Samuel Peter, Ruddock, Shavers, the list goes on and on for guys I would give a chance at beating Foreman.

Who would I favor against him? Entirely different question and of course the list is a lot shorter. Liston, Dempsey, Ali, Holmes, and Louis would have the best chances IMO.

wow...just...wow

Im not even gonna bother. The guy actually said Wlad...

[BKM-]

You guys just dont get what Kid Achilles is trying to explain. You're taking out examples and incidents that happened in real life, where's he's just trying to point out how Baer's style could beat Foreman. Dont forget that its a FANTASY fight, so its hilarious that Sabbath is trying to imply that Baer would quit like he did against Louis, but doesn't even mention how Baer would be bad for Foreman. Again, IF they fought, and IF they both came in prepared.

[SABBATH]

You guys just dont get what Kid Achilles is trying to explain. You're taking out examples and incidents that happened in real life, where's he's just trying to point out how Baer's style could beat Foreman. Dont forget that its a FANTASY fight, so its hilarious that Sabbath is trying to imply that Baer would quit like he did against Louis, but doesn't even mention how Baer would be bad for Foreman. Again, IF they fought, and IF they both came in prepared.

I think you're hilarious. Maybe you should read your own ****in' threads before posting. Here's what you previously wrote in response to Kid Achilles regarding his opinion of a Foreman-Baer fight. Now you can't throw on your kneepads and get down on the floor quick enough for the Kid. No wonder you're the joke of boxingscene. Go away.

You must be joking..i mean you are comparing Max Baer, a ****ing clown of a heavyweight, to one of the best Hws ever. I'll just wait untill you admit you were joking, untill then i'll play along.

Smaller gloves cause a lot more damage, everyone knows that. As far as the Ron Lyle comment, that may be right, but Max is no Lyle. He's ****. He was ko'd by a 200 pound nobody. A nobody compared to Morrison, Holyfield, Lyle etc who were bigger and hit harder. You can't compare his chin to Foreman. Ali ko'd Foreman because he was tired and had nothing left. I think you even said that in a thread once.

Max Baer was never floored before louis because that was the first good fighter he fought. He fought nobody's compared to Foreman. And the first time someone fights back, he's ko'd in 1. When someone fough Foreman back, Foreman was down and came back to win.

Tyson had a ****ty chin because of Mcbride? he quit because Mcbride was a smelly **** who was leaning with 270 pounds on him. Not because he hit Tyson hard. Like Mike said ''He didn't hit me hard, he hit me like he's French''. You cant compare this.
Foreman ko's Baer in 1.

[BKM-]

I think you're hilarious. Maybe you should read your own ****in' threads before posting. Here's what you previously wrote in response to Kid Achilles regarding his opinion of a Foreman-Baer fight. Now you can't throw on your kneepads and get down on the floor quick enough for the Kid. No wonder you're the joke of boxingscene. Go away.

Maybe i should also search for your old smasher posts, showing that a 40+ year old man with 3 kids calling people ''***got'' ''******'' and every word a trailerpark boy can think of. Your children must be very proud of you.

This past year i felt diffirent about most of the things i've discussed before. Everyone can change his opinion. You're the only one putting all the time and effort in searching trough all my old posts, googling pics of ******ed people, not having a job instead. I think you're the joke of Boxingscene. Dont be in denial Ricky.

Anyway, i am right. You can't look and judge on incidents that have happened, instead of analizing the fighters and their fights. One time a guy quit, and another time the same guy got off the canvas to win. And i dont think Baer can beat Foreman, never said that. Maybe SOMEONE can check trough every single post i made and find some posts that prove this

[SABBATH]

Dust your knees off, remove your head from your ass, take my advice and go away.

[BKM-]

Sigh..You wont ever learn huh. Maybe if you change ya name back to smasher, you'll get banned again. but I wont ever leave, sir. Now go and find a job to support your family instead of looking at my profile, and i mean that.

Anyway, i still think Baer is a joke as far as his career goes, neither do i like his fighting style. But its still not so bad for the unbelievably overrated Foreman. I'd pick Big George for a mid round TKO, but he would be as sloppy as always trying to get rid of Baer.

[SABBATH]

Nice of you to note on this thread how many children I have. Since it's not in my profile, I'll assume I must have casually posted that somewhere on another thread and you made a point of memorizing it. In any event I find it disturbing that you would make a point of remembering that and saw fit to bring it into this thread.

Then again, if children are your thing that explains it.

[K-DOGG]

Baer was floored 3 times and 10 counted by Louis, or more accurately he quit and took the count on one knee on the floor.

Against Nova, Baer was floored twice, the second KD as he was face planted to the canvas and the fight was stopped while Baer was still down.

Both were decisive KO losses.

Baer was a womanizing playboy who by his own admission didn't like fighting, was a slacker in training, a clown in and out of the ring and admittedly quit and took the count in his fight against Joe Louis to avoid punishment. This is the guy that was having sex in his dressing room before defending his title against Braddock. What kind of mindset is this to carry into a slugfest with George Foreman?

Baer NEVER displayed the type of heart and resolve to dig deep and come back from a tough drag-em-out brawl a Foreman match-up could materialize into.

Prior to the Louis fight, Baer did not want to even enter the ring. Baer made a decision in his dressing room that Louis was going to slaughter him and he couldn't go through with the fight. Baer had to be persuaded by a disgusted Jack Dempsey to leave the dressing room and "get in the ring and fight like a champion."

"I could have got up, but it wouldn't have done me any good.....Quit? Sure I quit. But I was just being smart." - Max Baer after being KO'd by Joe Louis

After defeating Tony Galento, Baer was elevated to #1 contender status and was the logical opponent for Louis in a title fight. Baer wasn't too eager to face Louis again and got out of it by asking for too big a purse and pricing himself out of the fight.

Well, you learn something new everyday. I had no idea Baer was that terrified of facing Louis and that all of that drama transpired before the fight. It doesn't change my opinion of whether or not Louis would beat Foreman nor my opinion that Baer could beat Big George, either; but it is highly enlightening. Thank you for the background info, bro.

[K-DOGG]

Foreman would not be hitting Baer with the kind of lightning fast straight as an arrow shots that made him feel helpless and want to quit as it happened vs. Louis. Baer vs. Foreman would be a straight up pier 6 brawl, even more so than the Lyle fight where Lyle tried to box a bit at times.

Baer had heart, he was able to stick it out with a hard hitting, well conditioned and determined counterpuncher in Schmeling and come on strong in the later rounds to stop the german.

Baer was one of the most inconsistent champions of all time. Sometimes he'd show up with a mentality to win, and other times he just wasn't in it for the opening bell. When we make these fantasy fights we're assuming each fighter is at his best. He don't use the Tyson who quit vs. McBride, and we don't use the Baer who decided he hadn't a chance from the begining vs. Louis.

Also something to think about. Foreman would be so hittable and wide open himself that Baer's confidence would take a boost every time he landed on and stunned Big George. It's not hard to keep your faith in yourself when you can feel your punches hurting the opponent. The situation Baer was in, where he was barely connecting with anything significant and taking one of the worst beatings imaginable in return would try even the sternest heart. Foreman never showed me he could come back from the kind of beating Baer took vs. Louis.

I mean, who's to say Foreman doesn't fold as well when hit that hard, that fast, and with no chance at really getting much of his own punches in? Foreman was never put in that kind of position, he never faced a guy like Louis. I don't consider the punishment he received from Lyle even close to what Baer got from Louis. At least Foreman as consistently staggering Lyle in return, he knew he could hit and hurt him. That strengthens anyones resolve. When you're just taking a beating, I don't care how courageous you are, you'll reach a quitting point where it's no longer worth it to get beat more and risk your life.

Next to Willard quitting in his corner vs. Dempsey, Baer letting himself get counted out in Yankee Stadium might be the most justifiable and understandable example of a top fighter quitting.

I think Baer vs. Foreman would be a very competitive, pick 'em fight.

Great post, KA....I especially agree with the emboldened, which is what I'm basing all of my scenarios on. These men were champions and must be given the benefit of the doubt.

[SABBATH]

Well, you learn something new everyday. I had no idea Baer was that terrified of facing Louis and that all of that drama transpired before the fight. It doesn't change my opinion of whether or not Louis would beat Foreman nor my opinion that Baer could beat Big George, either; but it is highly enlightening. Thank you for the background info, bro.

Yeah that's the real deal Dogg.

Baer was pretty much forced into the ring that night by Dempsey and was terrified of facing Louis. As Baer would later say:

"I define fear as standing across the ring from Joe Louis and knowing he wants to go home early."

If you watch a tape of the fight you will see Baer looks quite tentative (I'll stop short of saying scared) although he does connect and shake Louis up at one point. Unfortunately for Baer it was at the end of the round and Baer returned to his tentative ways the next round. So much for Baer getting braver after hurting his opponent.

Louis at the time was 21 years of age and had 24-0 record. Baer at the time was a veteran of 48 fights, had never been floored or stopped and was an ex-champion. While Louis was becoming known as a 'dark destroyer' his reputation as a fighter was nowhere near it would become. Why Baer was that afraid of Louis is puzzling, but in my mind offers up some insight into Baer's mindset and courage and the self doubt that Baer could bring into the ring against the imposing Foreman or Sonny Liston for that matter.

Baer also took a bit of a ****-kicking in the press at the time for staying down when he clearly could have gotten up. Baer freely admitted he could have gotten up but told the press something to the effect that if the fans wanted to see him killed they would have to pay more than $50 for a ringside seat.

I hear alot of reference to Foreman's Ron Lyle fight in these Foreman-Baer fantasy threads. Lyle in his fights with Shavers and Foreman showed greater heart and courage than Baer ever did in his career. Climbing off the deck to to KO Shavers and floor Foreman, two of the hardest hitting heavyweights of all time speaks volumes of Lyle's determination.

I never saw that in Baer.