Does Ali need Leon Spinks?

[SABBATH]

Getting KO'ed by Choynski when you're young and green was not a shameful thing, I don't care what he weighed. He hit Jim Jeffries so hard his teeth went through his lip. They had to cut his lip open just to dettach it from his teeth. I believe he said that was the hardest punch he received in his career.

Choynski was a very hard, swift, and accurate straight puncher. The kind of guy that could time it right and knock just about anyone out. You read 160 lbs and think that he couldn't hit but that's just not the case here. Did Johnson have a great chin? No, clearly not. But he wasn't going to go down from a jab or the first serious punch he got hit with.

Here's a clip of Choynski sparring with Jim Jeffries prior to Johnson-Jeffries. It's the only footage I've ever seen of Choynski.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsB3O0JnBjI

[joelouisbarrow]

Ali and Louis are on top cuz they accomplished the most. Then I have larry holmes at #3 cuz hes better than johnson, dempsey and marciano and i think he accomplished more than all 3. My top 10 looks something like this.

ali
louis
holmes
marciano- cuz hes undefeated, thats the only reason i put him here
lewis
foreman
frazier
holyfield
tyson
liston

That list is a mixture of accomplishments and head to head matchups. Jack Johnson doesnt deserve to be in it. If rid**** bowe was a ranked fighter for 3 more years and beat solid opponents, he would have made it.

Ali is lucky cuz he fought in the golden era, personally i think larry holmes is better than him. His jab is better and hes physically stronger, the only reason people say ali would beat him is cuz he's more popular. Larry is a bad matchup for Ali and everyone knows it.

im sorry but do thine eyes decieve me..youve got lennox lewis as #3 all time ?...and no dempsey in your top 10 ?..

[joelouisbarrow]

sorry i meant lewis #5

[brownpimp88]

sorry i meant lewis #5

dempsey beat sharkey, willard,carpentier, loughran and firpo?

lewis beat linear champ holyfield, a ranked tyson, vitali, tua, grant, mercer, morrison, ruddock, tucker, bruno, grant, golota, briggs and botha.

[joelouisbarrow]

dempsey beat sharkey, willard,carpentier, loughran and firpo?

lewis beat linear champ holyfield, a ranked tyson, vitali, tua, grant, mercer, morrison, ruddock, tucker, bruno, grant, golota, briggs and botha.

lewis beat a finished tyson, an out of work panto performer & a few bums and has beens...im soory but to put lewis ahead of dempsey is criminal..im calling the authorities

[brownpimp88]

lewis beat a finished tyson, an out of work panto performer & a few bums and has beens...im soory but to put lewis ahead of dempsey is criminal..im calling the authorities

the best guy dempsey ever fought was gene tunney, look what happens. Dempsey's era was full of bums, jess willard and firpo are not held in a high regard. Let me remind u that there were like 10 black guys trying to get a title shot and they werent allowed cuz of that time frame. So the question is if dempsey would have been champ if he fought everyone?

[joelouisbarrow]

the best guy dempsey ever fought was gene tunney, look what happens. Dempsey's era was full of bums, jess willard and firpo are not held in a high regard. Let me remind u that there were like 10 black guys trying to get a title shot and they werent allowed cuz of that time frame. So the question is if dempsey would have been champ if he fought everyone?

he destroyed willard and beat a very good fighter in tommy gibbons...gene tunney was a great champion and a very intelligent boxer

[butterfly1964]

he destroyed willard and beat a very good fighter in tommy gibbons...gene tunney was a great champion and a very intelligent boxer

Plus Dempsey was past his prime when Tunney fought him.

[dempsey1919]

the best guy dempsey ever fought was gene tunney, look what happens. Dempsey's era was full of bums, jess willard and firpo are not held in a high regard. Let me remind u that there were like 10 black guys trying to get a title shot and they werent allowed cuz of that time frame. So the question is if dempsey would have been champ if he fought everyone?

Tunny was a vary good fighter but Dempsey was past his prime and had not fought in 2 years but I hardly consider Dempseys opponets bums Jess Willard: 6' 6 1/4" 230 lbs. The tallest man to ever hold the heavyweight title. Had a long 83" reach. Willard got a bad rep on the claim of Johnson that he threw their fight. The film, however, shows that Johnson simply gets hit on the chin. Willard actually had a good jab, and good footwork for a man of his size. He had a strong chin. Only Dempsey, and Firpo (at the end of his career) ever ko'd him. He quit once in a fight earlier in his career. One of the most under-rated of heavyweights. He had strength and power enough to kill a man in the ring witch tragicly happend in a bout with John Bull Young Willard hit him with an uppercut and I have heard these things said about what happend his Jaw was drove into hes brain and the other his neck was snapped. Firpo was a vary hard hitter and could take a punch vary just as well had preveusly KO a comeback Jess Willard and had Dempsey down 2 times in ther fight including knocking Dempsey throw the ropes.

[QueensburyRules]

Leon spinks was just 6-0-1, why did Ali had to fought him, is leon, the olympic gold medalists that so special, I find it unusual for a man who's legacy is secured and widely considered the greatest HW of all time, took on a guy starting as a pro, well, I mean larry holmes was ready for a title shot, and if ken norton gave larry his toughest fights, would Ali fared better vs holmes in 78' than he did in 1980. i think those 30 rounds with leon spinks plus his last fight with berbick also contributed to the sad state that Ali's health is in right now with parkinsons disease.

- -WBC mandated the Norton rematch, thus his ditching that belt for Spinks, a no brainer.