Favorite Power/Bully style Fighter

[Kid Achilles]

Armstrong was aggressive as hell and a nonstop action machine but he had some skill to go with it. Ketchel was all aggression, just raw speed and power. No one else was that crude and yet that effective against top opposition. The guy made Marciano seem like a cagey (dare I say it?) slick fighter.

There is a reason why some very intelligent and knowledgeable historians consider Ketchel the greatest middleweight of all time. For brutality, killer instinct, and power he could not be matched. He was also tough as hell, mentally and physically, and not slow by any means.

From what I recall he was largely self taught growing up. For a good part of his early pro career, he learned in fights, not in the gym.

I don't agree that Ketchel was the greatest middleweight ever but in a balls to the wall slugfest where all technique goes out the window, I'd favor him against just anyone in history at middleweight. Maybe **** Tiger had what it took to beat him at that game, maybe.

[butterfly1964]

Armstrong was aggressive as hell and a nonstop action machine but he had some skill to go with it. Ketchel was all aggression, just raw speed and power. No one else was that crude and yet that effective against top opposition. The guy made Marciano seem like a cagey (dare I say it?) slick fighter.

There is a reason why some very intelligent and knowledgeable historians consider Ketchel the greatest middleweight of all time. For brutality, killer instinct, and power he could not be matched. He was also tough as hell, mentally and physically, and not slow by any means.

From what I recall he was largely self taught growing up. For a good part of his early pro career, he learned in fights, not in the gym.

I don't agree that Ketchel was the greatest middleweight ever but in a balls to the wall slugfest where all technique goes out the window, I'd favor him against just anyone in history at middleweight. Maybe **** Tiger had what it took to beat him at that game, maybe.

Yeah, so next itme people should stop and think before they criticize Johnson for getting floored by Ketchel.

[butterfly1964]

In the sense that guys like Holyfield and Marciano knew when to avoid danger, sure I could. I never even saw Frazier go into any kind of survival mode the way I had seen these other guys. It's something else, maybe it might just be ******ity, who knows.

That just means that Frazier sometimes fought dumb fights, not that he was tougher than them.

[Mr. Ryan]

That just means that Frazier sometimes fought dumb fights, not that he was tougher than them.

I always thought that the braver you are, the dumber you were LOL. I have lived a pretty safe and prosperous life when I take the easy road out, it's all relative.

[Mr. Ryan]

Armstrong was aggressive as hell and a nonstop action machine but he had some skill to go with it. Ketchel was all aggression, just raw speed and power. No one else was that crude and yet that effective against top opposition. The guy made Marciano seem like a cagey (dare I say it?) slick fighter.

There is a reason why some very intelligent and knowledgeable historians consider Ketchel the greatest middleweight of all time. For brutality, killer instinct, and power he could not be matched. He was also tough as hell, mentally and physically, and not slow by any means.

From what I recall he was largely self taught growing up. For a good part of his early pro career, he learned in fights, not in the gym.

I don't agree that Ketchel was the greatest middleweight ever but in a balls to the wall slugfest where all technique goes out the window, I'd favor him against just anyone in history at middleweight. Maybe **** Tiger had what it took to beat him at that game, maybe.

Ketchel no doubt had balls and audacity, and a sizzling right hand to go with it. But I tend to look at those fighters in the early 1900s with a little wink, I don't think that boxing was as skilled and thoughtful as it became later on. As my trainer used to say, boxing was uncivilized in those days. A guy like Stanley Ketchel could run the show for years at 160 with that style because there wasn't the kind of jabbing and slipping of punches that went down in those days. Ketchel's style is still very popular in the mountains of Columbia, but not so much today.

Simply put with regards to Henry Armstrong, he was a bad ass little dude.

[Kid Achilles]

I never said Ketchel would beat all or even many of the modern middleweights, but I would bet the house on him in a shootout slugfest with neither guy using skill. Ketchel was as Moore called Marciano "a bull with boxing gloves". You'd have to be ****ing ****** to go toe to toe with him.

[Mr. Ryan]

I never said Ketchel would beat all or even many of the modern middleweights, but I would bet the house on him in a shootout slugfest with neither guy using skill. Ketchel was as Moore called Marciano "a bull with boxing gloves". You'd have to be ****ing ****** to go toe to toe with him.

That's like me putting in contract "We will fight for this belt, but neither of us can train."

[hemichromis]

You can really measure courage. You can't really say that Frazier had more heart than guys like Dempsey, Marciano, Holyfield, etc. All four of thse guys had heart, so you can't really say that one had more heart than the other.

did you just complement marciano?

[hemichromis]

That just means that Frazier sometimes fought dumb fights, not that he was tougher than them.

he only had one fighting strategy it worked fantastically on boxers but any good puncher s gonna give him trouble

[phallus]

Armstrong was aggressive as hell and a nonstop action machine but he had some skill to go with it. Ketchel was all aggression, just raw speed and power. No one else was that crude and yet that effective against top opposition. The guy made Marciano seem like a cagey (dare I say it?) slick fighter.

There is a reason why some very intelligent and knowledgeable historians consider Ketchel the greatest middleweight of all time. For brutality, killer instinct, and power he could not be matched. He was also tough as hell, mentally and physically, and not slow by any means.

From what I recall he was largely self taught growing up. For a good part of his early pro career, he learned in fights, not in the gym.

I don't agree that Ketchel was the greatest middleweight ever but in a balls to the wall slugfest where all technique goes out the window, I'd favor him against just anyone in history at middleweight. Maybe **** Tiger had what it took to beat him at that game, maybe.

i used to think ketchel was the greatest middleweight of all time, until, one day, when i realized, if he fought harry greb he'd lose because greb had the better skills. i do think though, against most middleweight greats he'd probably beat them