Joe joyce vs Deontay Wilder

not sure if it was easy but beating parker and dubois is a hell of a lot harder than what wilder did which was beating a bunch of unranked bums. wilder beat 1 top 10 opponent in all those defenses and someone who is nowhere near as good as dubois or parker. ever heard the phrase quality over quantity? the guys joyce beat in his early career were about as good as wilders defenses, guys like stiverne who was one of wilders best wins and guys like jennings who was ortizs best win but joyce didnt have a belt to label them defenses. the label isnt what matters. the substance is what matters and wilder did not have it. he kept figthing guys like arreola, spilzka, washington, molina, duhapas, etc... Joe Joyce is a tough guy, and if you want to get technical sure, his two wins over Parker and Dubois are better than anything Wilder had, but Wilder was WBC champ for 5 years and had 10 defenses, and Joe never won a title. Secondly, if you took a prime Wilder and a prime Joyce, I think there is no doubt that Wilder sparks him. Joe joyce fighting style is tailor made for Wilders right hand.

So if Joyce fought Wilder maybe 5 or 6 years ago then we should all agree that Wilder would have won. Joyce doesn't have the reflexes or speed to avoid Wilder's big right hand. I think Wilder would have won because Joyce's defense is nonexistent, he literally takes everything thrown at his face. And doing so against young(er) Wilder... It's what made him KOed twice by Zhang.

I get the logic that Wilder would land clean right hands so he wins but he landed a million clean right hands on Szpilka who has a terrible, terrible chin before he finally put him out. Could you imagine Szpilka eating 150 clean as you like right hands from say Wardley or an Itauma or AJ even? I couldn't at all. He landed countless on some guy named Hardon. Zhang was old as hell and just walked through them. Landed about 50 right hands in a row on Chisora who was 43? and getting dropped left and right by average punchers like Parker. Its about time we reevaluate Wilders right hand/power and frankly stop acting like everything he touches turns to dust. I am in no way saying he can't punch but his power didn't really translate to elite level. People think he'd be all wrong for Joyce but isn't a gigantic, high volume pressure fighter with a stiff jab, a granite chin with endless cardio all wrong for a guy who is totally reliant on fighters being static at the end of his right hand?

Wilder is the better puncher, Joyce is a better fighter. Better resume.

So if Joyce fought Wilder maybe 5 or 6 years ago then we should all agree that Wilder would have won. Joyce doesn't have the reflexes or speed to avoid Wilder's big right hand. Wilder vs Joyce - Wilder W Power - Wilder Speed - Wilder Jab - Joyce Ring IQ - Joyce Chin - Joyce Stamina - Joyce Volume - Joyce Resume - Joyce Accolades - Wilder On paper Joyce is probably the 'better' fighter. But that doesn't necessarily translate into the real world in the ring. Just stylistically Wilder would have given Joyce a lot of problems in the ring in their prime. Also, the thread question is about greatness and not skill set. We use Championships as a measuring stick for greatness. We can trash Wilder all day however he did win the WBC Championship and held it for 5 yrs. But I already know the retort is that they were C + of B - fighters and whatever. Give Wilder some credit he achieved a lot in boxing.

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Like Joyce did any better overall... He even lost to Chisora, who had faced plenty of top opponents and lost to all of them. We can all check their opponents and have our views. Joyce also lost to Hrgovic, who lost to Dubois, who lost to Joyce, however. True, Joyce won against Dubois, but going with the argument of who was old, then I'd say Dubois was young. Joyce lost to old Chisora. In contrast, Wilder has no losses against B-level fighters. So quality over quantity is both fighters' weakness, so quantity over quality matters, also in terms of losses - losing to a B-level fighter puts doubt in your own quality. It is one thing who you or I personally consider elite, B-level, and C-level, but it seems to be another according to rankings (and in the case of the first Fury-Wilder, what the real result should have been). We disagree for the fighters - fine. As I said, I can see the opposite point of view, and I am not arguing, I am telling you why mine is so. Joyce Elite Daniel Dubois Jul 2020 14‑0 Win KO 10 Joyce Elite Joseph Parker Sep 2022 29‑2 Win UD 12 Joyce Elite Zhilei Zhang Apr 2023 24‑1‑1 Loss TKO 6 Joyce Elite Zhilei Zhang Sep 2023 25‑1‑1 Loss KO 3 Joyce Elite Filip Hrgovic Apr 2025 17‑0 Loss UD 10 Joyce B-level Alexander Ustinov May 2019 34‑3 Win TKO 3 Joyce B-level Bryant Jennings Feb 2019 24‑2 Win UD 12 Joyce B-level Carlos Takam Sep 2021 38‑5‑1 Win UD 12 Joyce B-level Derek Chisora Jul 2024 34‑13 Loss UD 10 Joyce C-level Lenroy Thomas May 2018 22‑4‑1 Win TKO 2 Joyce C-level Joe Hanks Dec 2018 23‑2 Win KO 1 Joyce C-level​ Michael Wallisch Jul 2019 23‑3 Win TKO 3 Joyce C-level​ Christian Hammer Nov 2020 25‑6 Win TKO 4 ​ Wilder Elite​ Bermane Stiverne Jan 2015 24‑1‑2 Win UD 12 Wilder Elite​ Luis Ortiz Mar 2018 28‑0 Win TKO 10 Wilder Elite​ Tyson Fury Dec 2018 27‑0 Draw SD 12 Wilder Elite​ Luis Ortiz Nov 2019 31‑1 Win KO 7 Wilder Elite​ Tyson Fury Feb 2020 29‑0 Loss TKO 7 Wilder Elite​ Tyson Fury Oct 2021 30‑0 Loss KO 11 Wilder Elite​ Joseph Parker Dec 2023 33‑3 Loss UD 12 Wilder Elite​ Zhilei Zhang Jun 2024 26‑1‑1 Loss TKO 5 Wilder B-level​ Dominic Breazeale May 2019 20‑1 Win KO 1 Wilder B-level​ Bermane Stiverne Feb 2017 25‑2‑1 Win KO 1 Wilder B-level​ Robert Helenius Oct 2022 31‑3 Win KO 1 Wilder B-level​ Derek Chisora Apr 2026 34‑13 Win SD 12 Wilder C-level​ Siarhei Liakhovich Aug 2013 24‑3 Win KO 1 Wilder C-level​ Malik Scott Mar 2014 38‑1‑1 Win KO 1 Wilder C-level​ Eric Molina Jun 2015 23‑2 Win KO 9 Wilder C-level​ Johann Duhaupas Sep 2015 32‑2 Win TKO 11 Wilder C-level​ Artur Szpilka Jan 2016 20‑1 Win KO 9 Wilder C-level​ Chris Arreola Jul 2016 36‑4‑1 Win TKO 8 Wilder C-level​ Gerald Washington Feb 2017 19‑0 Win TKO 5 Wilder C-level​ Tyrrell Herndon Jun 2025 16‑1 Win TKO 7 ​

Wilder probably needs to fight again so pay that child support. My man has 8 kids with all these different women. Why can't a guy settle down and be happy with 1 woman. I mean I know why but y'know Ideally. wait i thought he was a family man? thats how he was promoted. then again he was also promoted as the biggest puncher in boxing history yet has a paltry 25% ko ratio against top 10 opponents so maybe it was all a lie? maybe the nectarine nero was a ra-pist when he admitted it and women confirmed it? geez thats so crazy

why wouldn't wilder fight again? hes so back! Wilder probably needs to fight again so pay that child support. My man has 8 kids with all these different women. Why can't a guy settle down and be happy with 1 woman. I mean I know why but y'know Ideally.

Honestly, this should be Wilder's last fight if he insist on fighting again. They're about the same age and Joyce looked sort of okay against Hrgovic imo. why wouldn't wilder fight again? hes so back!

Honestly, this should be Wilder's last fight if he insist on fighting again. They're about the same age and Joyce looked sort of okay against Hrgovic imo.

Wilder was WBC champ for 5 years and had 10 title defenses. Thats not an easy feat, Joe Joyce hangs his hat on 2 victories over top/ semi top competition, one was a fight he was losing and the other was against an opponent that was more or less his caliber. Wilder is greater, and prime v prime he would’ve sparked Joe Joyce out. not sure if it was easy but beating parker and dubois is a hell of a lot harder than what wilder did which was beating a bunch of unranked bums. wilder beat 1 top 10 opponent in all those defenses and someone who is nowhere near as good as dubois or parker. ever heard the phrase quality over quantity? the guys joyce beat in his early career were about as good as wilders defenses, guys like stiverne who was one of wilders best wins and guys like jennings who was ortizs best win but joyce didnt have a belt to label them defenses. the label isnt what matters. the substance is what matters and wilder did not have it. he kept figthing guys like arreola, spilzka, washington, molina, duhapas, etc...

Yes, because at this point, their top victories are close. So I am comparing them purely on activity, and Wilder has a bit more bums on his record, even though Joyce's are a bit classier. Unfortunately, Joyce didn't have enough good fights when he was younger, while Wilder had plenty against nobodies. And both are late to catch up. I believe they could have done better in their careers, they had the potential. However, I will not argue the opposite point of view, as it's all on the edge. you think beating dubios and parker is close to beating ortiz, stiverne, or 42 year old chisora? those dont seem close at all to me. parker beat ruiz who went on to be #1, zhang who was #3, wilder who was #3, bakole #6. dubios just beat #2 wardley, #3 joshua, and #5 hrgovic. ortiz in comparison has 1 top 10 win over the # 5 guy, stiverne 1 top 10 win over the #7 guy. chisora none offiically but a couple very debatable losses to top 10 fighters.

Joyce's win over Dubois looks good.

so if joyce had beaten a bunch of bums you would give him the edge Yes, because at this point, their top victories are close. So I am comparing them purely on activity, and Wilder has a bit more bums on his record, even though Joyce's are a bit classier. Unfortunately, Joyce didn't have enough good fights when he was younger, while Wilder had plenty against nobodies. And both are late to catch up. I believe they could have done better in their careers, they had the potential. However, I will not argue the opposite point of view, as it's all on the edge.

Wilder was WBC champ for 5 years and had 10 title defenses. Thats not an easy feat, Joe Joyce hangs his hat on 2 victories over top/ semi top competition, one was a fight he was losing and the other was against an opponent that was more or less his caliber. Wilder is greater, and prime v prime he would’ve sparked Joe Joyce out.

I am giving a slight edge to Wilder because he has had a lot more fights, and even though they were B-level and C-level fighters, it isn't different for Joyce, but Wilder had twice as many opponents as Joyce. There is one interesting thing in your comparison: Joyce won over Parker, who dominated Wilder. But Joyce lost to Chisora, who lost to Wilder (as we know, in boxing 2+2≠4). so if joyce had beaten a bunch of bums you would give him the edge

I am giving a slight edge to Wilder because he has had a lot more fights, and even though they were B-level and C-level fighters, it isn't different for Joyce, but Wilder had twice as many opponents as Joyce. There is one interesting thing in your comparison: Joyce won over Parker, who dominated Wilder. But Joyce lost to Chisora, who lost to Wilder (as we know, in boxing 2+2≠4).