Oleksandr’s One a Year for Ducking

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Yeah the idea of Usyk being this tiny guy is pretty funny, I saw a pic of him and The Rock (juiced to the gills steroid hulk rock) and Usyk was bigger. He's much bigger than Holyfied or David Hate both of whom were bulked up and still weighed less than a Usyk who doesn't weight train much. It's quite remarkable that he made 200 for so long tbh FACT: Usyk has the longest reach out of all top 10 Ring mag heavyweights. Usyk 85" Wardley 79" Kabayel 77" Fury 75" (T-rex?) Dubois 81" Hrgovic 78" Itauma 79" Did someone say how amazing it was that little Usyk is challenging himself vs all these giants? He was an extremely long cruiserweight.

DDD 3? Fury 3? Joshua 3? Benavidez? Whick pointless fight takes Usyk after a kickboxer? Why not Ngannou, hahah? But I vote for Fury. Eventually, he might take Dubois if he beats Wardley. Coming out from what Usyk said himself.

DDD 3? Fury 3? Joshua 3? Benavidez? Whick pointless fight takes Usyk after a kickboxer?

He's not going to say that he has zero ambition now and is just on his cash in tour. He can fight who he wants. Jake Paul, greedy belly, Rico... It doesn't really matter. There is no fight out there that changes his legacy. It's done. I'm not sure why anyone would think he shouldn't be able to earn money. There are still millions on the table for him. I can understand him taking the cash. My issue remains with the orgs who aren't stripping him. If he's not fighting ranked boxers then he should have his titles taken away. he is saying that with his actions. this bum fight and then targeting a third fury fight when he already beat him easily in the last fight. thats not true at all. the more top guys he beats, the greater he is. if he beat kabayel, itauma(who will probably be a top guy for years to come) etc...he would certainly be greater. i dont think beating a kickboxer or fury for a third time enhances his legacy at all thats true.

- - Yo, not to mention that most of Usyks cruiser titlist fights were against top champs and contenders who would whoop most heavy champs until the Heavy Division moved to 200lb+ But of course this forum chock full of bummed out slackers and wan kers!:bottle:You can not substantiate your claim that those cruiser fighters can "whoop most heavy champs until the Heavy Division moved to 200lb+", if not insulting (apart from the usual trolling that you only know of doing). The forum surely has at least one "bummed out slackers and wankers". Like you took all that personally, as the typical Usyk fangirl does.:haha: :rofl: :lol1:

- - Yo, not to mention that most of Usyks cruiser titlist fights were against top champs and contenders who would whoop most heavy champs until the Heavy Division moved to 200lb+ But of course this forum chock full of bummed out slackers and wan kers!:bottle: You can not substantiate your claim that those cruiser fighters can "whoop most heavy champs until the Heavy Division moved to 200lb+", if not insulting (apart from the usual trolling that you only know of doing). The forum surely has at least one "bummed out slackers and wankers". Like you took all that personally, as the typical Usyk fangirl does.

Not to mention that cruiserweight has always been the weakest division in terms of talent depth. That doesn’t take away from Usyk unifying the belts there, but it also shouldn’t be exaggerated. As I’ve said before, the number of titles, even unifications, means nothing unless you look at the level of opposition behind them. It’s easy to hide behind belts and call objectivity “hating,” but that doesn’t change the reality. Olympic medals are irrelevant here - we’re talking about professional boxing. It has always been professional boxing that measures legendary status and boxers. As for the “top 10 all‑time greats” claims - Usyk isn’t even in the top 20 at heavyweight. Fighters like Muhammad Ali, Joe Louis, Larry Holmes, Lennox Lewis, George Foreman, Evander Holyfield, Wladimir Klitschko, Vitali Klitschko, Mike Tyson, Joe Frazier, Rocky Marciano, Riddiсk Bowe, Sonny Liston, Ken Norton, Floyd Patterson, Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey, and Gene Tunney all built far deeper résumés. Many of them never had the chance to unify the belts, yet they fought two, three, or four times as many heavyweight bouts as Usyk. If anything, that makes Usyk’s path to unification easier, not harder. What matters is how many top fighters you beat in the division where you want to be remembered as a legend. Almost all of the names above have more title defences at heavyweight, often several times more than Usyk has across cruiserweight and heavyweight combined. - - Yo, not to mention that most of Usyks cruiser titlist fights were against top champs and contenders who would whoop most heavy champs until the Heavy Division moved to 200lb+ But of course this forum chock full of bummed out slackers and wan kers!:bottle:

Not to mention that cruiserweight has always been the weakest division in terms of talent depth. That doesn’t take away from Usyk unifying the belts there, but it also shouldn’t be exaggerated. As I’ve said before, the number of titles, even unifications, means nothing unless you look at the level of opposition behind them. It’s easy to hide behind belts and call objectivity “hating,” but that doesn’t change the reality. Olympic medals are irrelevant here - we’re talking about professional boxing. It has always been professional boxing that measures legendary status and boxers. As for the “top 10 all‑time greats” claims - Usyk isn’t even in the top 20 at heavyweight. Fighters like Muhammad Ali, Joe Louis, Larry Holmes, Lennox Lewis, George Foreman, Evander Holyfield, Wladimir Klitschko, Vitali Klitschko, Mike Tyson, Joe Frazier, Rocky Marciano, Riddiсk Bowe, Sonny Liston, Ken Norton, Floyd Patterson, Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey, and Gene Tunney all built far deeper résumés. Many of them never had the chance to unify the belts, yet they fought two, three, or four times as many heavyweight bouts as Usyk. If anything, that makes Usyk’s path to unification easier, not harder. What matters is how many top fighters you beat in the division where you want to be remembered as a legend. Almost all of the names above have more title defences at heavyweight, often several times more than Usyk has across cruiserweight and heavyweight combined.

Usyk is cemented in the top 10 all time great heavyweights in my opinion. Complaining about the Rico fight is fair and that's about it. Aforementioned, he beat an undefeated 2 time World Heavyweight Champion in Fury, a 2 time World Champion 24-1 (22 KOs) AJ , and a future world champion in 19-1 Dubois. He beat them twice. So we should all agree that his resume is very good. So next is the eye test? Great footwork, southpaw, very high ring IQ, and he throws a voluminous amount of punches. So what's next? Accolades? Two weight undisputed and an Olympic gold medalist. He's won every belt available from Cruiser to Heavy. What more do you haters want? I see some people say he's done well because of favoritism and luck. Seriously, what percentage of favoritism is the reason why he's so successful? Is it 5% 10%? I agree he should fight more than once a year. Yes, he should fight Kabayel or Hrgovic instead. AJ, Fury, Dubois are 'very good but not elite' ? If we're going make that statement then just say there hasn't been an elite fighter in decades lol. I

This is the truth. Usyk is a full size heavyweight. He's always had the frame to compete at this division. Hgt & reach matter in boxing. Yeah the idea of Usyk being this tiny guy is pretty funny, I saw a pic of him and The Rock (juiced to the gills steroid hulk rock) and Usyk was bigger. He's much bigger than Holyfied or David Hate both of whom were bulked up and still weighed less than a Usyk who doesn't weight train much. It's quite remarkable that he made 200 for so long tbh

When a fighter holds most of the titles, and eventually all of them, activity level becomes part of the evaluation. Usyk’s run at heavyweight is strong, but not exceptional in terms of depth. In five years at the weight, he has fought only three opponents: Joshua, Dubois, and Fury. These wins earned him the undisputed crown, but they also show that titles alone don’t tell the full story. The number of fights and the variety of opponents matter when discussing all‑time heavyweight greatness, and by that metric, Usyk’s résumé is still relatively thin. The argument that he is a “small heavyweight” also doesn’t hold up. At 191 cm, Usyk is not undersized at all - he is literally the historical average for heavyweight champions. Fighters like Holyfield (189 cm), Holmes (190 cm), Frazier (182 cm), Tyson (178 cm), and Ruiz (188 cm) were all shorter. Usyk was a huge cruiserweight (where the average size is 186 cm) and a normal‑sized heavyweight, not an anomaly. There is also a recurring point that deserves at least acknowledgement. Several controversial refereeing decisions in high‑profile fights have involved the same official, Luis Pabón, and Ukrainian fighters. In Klitschko-Povetkin, Pabón allowed excessive clinching that shaped the fight. In Joshua-Usyk II, a borderline body shot was ruled low. In Usyk-Dubois I, another borderline body shot was ruled low again. These are three separate events, years apart, involving different opponents - but the same referee and Ukrainian fighters. When similar controversies repeat under the same official, it’s reasonable to question whether this is a coincidence or a pattern of officiating tendencies. This doesn’t prove intent, and it doesn’t imply a coordinated effort. But it does show that certain Ukrainian athletes (and even Ukrainian artists in other fields) have at times benefited from favourable interpretations or decisions in international contexts. Whether this is due to individual referees, institutional caution, or broader sentiment is open to debate, but the pattern itself is observable. So yes - Usyk is a great boxer, but greatness doesn’t mean beyond criticism. His résumé at heavyweight is limited, his size is often misrepresented, and some aspects of his career have unfolded under circumstances that deserve scrutiny, not blind acceptance. This is the truth. Usyk is a full size heavyweight. He's always had the frame to compete at this division. Hgt & reach matter in boxing.

but he said he has 2 more fights after the kickboxer fight so no hes not out of the game according to himself. hes just carefully picking opponents. weak. like the kickboxer fight? a third fury fight? lol. a guy he beat pretty easily twice and yet he wants to fight him a third time. ah yeah its only about money so he should fight jake paul then right? most money! why not release usyk coin to rob people of their money while hes at it. He's not going to say that he has zero ambition now and is just on his cash in tour. He can fight who he wants. Jake Paul, greedy belly, Rico... It doesn't really matter. There is no fight out there that changes his legacy. It's done. I'm not sure why anyone would think he shouldn't be able to earn money. There are still millions on the table for him. I can understand him taking the cash. My issue remains with the orgs who aren't stripping him. If he's not fighting ranked boxers then he should have his titles taken away.

He's fighting a kickboxer because he's out of the game. He took on the guys he needed to. He fought the guys with belts. He fought the obvious challengers. All that's left for him is legacy fights and I'm not sure they exist right now. You could argue that Moses Itauma is a legacy fight - but I don't see him and Frank trying to push the fight. So Usyk will fight for money. It's hard to argue against. I just think the orgs should be stripping him. but he said he has 2 more fights after the kickboxer fight so no hes not out of the game according to himself. hes just carefully picking opponents. weak. like the kickboxer fight? a third fury fight? lol. a guy he beat pretty easily twice and yet he wants to fight him a third time. ah yeah its only about money so he should fight jake paul then right? most money! why not release usyk coin to rob people of their money while hes at it.

When a fighter holds most of the titles, and eventually all of them, activity level becomes part of the evaluation. Usyk’s run at heavyweight is strong, but not exceptional in terms of depth. In five years at the weight, he has fought only three opponents: Joshua, Dubois, and Fury. These wins earned him the undisputed crown, but they also show that titles alone don’t tell the full story. The number of fights and the variety of opponents matter when discussing all‑time heavyweight greatness, and by that metric, Usyk’s résumé is still relatively thin. The argument that he is a “small heavyweight” also doesn’t hold up. At 191 cm, Usyk is not undersized at all - he is literally the historical average for heavyweight champions. Fighters like Holyfield (189 cm), Holmes (190 cm), Frazier (182 cm), Tyson (178 cm), and Ruiz (188 cm) were all shorter. Usyk was a huge cruiserweight (where the average size is 186 cm) and a normal‑sized heavyweight, not an anomaly. There is also a recurring point that deserves at least acknowledgement. Several controversial refereeing decisions in high‑profile fights have involved the same official, Luis Pabón, and Ukrainian fighters. In Klitschko-Povetkin, Pabón allowed excessive clinching that shaped the fight. In Joshua-Usyk II, a borderline body shot was ruled low. In Usyk-Dubois I, another borderline body shot was ruled low again. These are three separate events, years apart, involving different opponents - but the same referee and Ukrainian fighters. When similar controversies repeat under the same official, it’s reasonable to question whether this is a coincidence or a pattern of officiating tendencies. This doesn’t prove intent, and it doesn’t imply a coordinated effort. But it does show that certain Ukrainian athletes (and even Ukrainian artists in other fields) have at times benefited from favourable interpretations or decisions in international contexts. Whether this is due to individual referees, institutional caution, or broader sentiment is open to debate, but the pattern itself is observable. So yes - Usyk is a great boxer, but greatness doesn’t mean beyond criticism. His résumé at heavyweight is limited, his size is often misrepresented, and some aspects of his career have unfolded under circumstances that deserve scrutiny, not blind acceptance. The "earned the right" nonsense is some casual BS that total casuals on social media just spam because they are in love with a flavour of the month. If he drops the titles he can do what he wants but other than that, no, you have to keep it moving. He's slowing the division to a crawl and costing other fighters their opportunities. People say "oh well there's only bums around now" At least when Klitschko was the champion we KNEW they were bums because he'd fight top 10 guys 3x a year Great posts

The "earned the right" nonsense is some casual BS that total casuals on social media just spam because they are in love with a flavour of the month. If he drops the titles he can do what he wants but other than that, no, you have to keep it moving. He's slowing the division to a crawl and costing other fighters their opportunities. People say "oh well there's only bums around now" At least when Klitschko was the champion we KNEW they were bums because he'd fight top 10 guys 3x a year

When a fighter holds most of the titles, and eventually all of them, activity level becomes part of the evaluation. Usyk’s run at heavyweight is strong, but not exceptional in terms of depth. In five years at the weight, he has fought only three opponents: Joshua, Dubois, and Fury. These wins earned him the undisputed crown, but they also show that titles alone don’t tell the full story. The number of fights and the variety of opponents matter when discussing all‑time heavyweight greatness, and by that metric, Usyk’s résumé is still relatively thin. The argument that he is a “small heavyweight” also doesn’t hold up. At 191 cm, Usyk is not undersized at all - he is literally the historical average for heavyweight champions. Fighters like Holyfield (189 cm), Holmes (190 cm), Frazier (182 cm), Tyson (178 cm), and Ruiz (188 cm) were all shorter. Usyk was a huge cruiserweight (where the average size is 186 cm) and a normal‑sized heavyweight, not an anomaly. There is also a recurring point that deserves at least acknowledgement. Several controversial refereeing decisions in high‑profile fights have involved the same official, Luis Pabón, and Ukrainian fighters. In Klitschko-Povetkin, Pabón allowed excessive clinching that shaped the fight. In Joshua-Usyk II, a borderline body shot was ruled low. In Usyk-Dubois I, another borderline body shot was ruled low again. These are three separate events, years apart, involving different opponents - but the same referee and Ukrainian fighters. When similar controversies repeat under the same official, it’s reasonable to question whether this is a coincidence or a pattern of officiating tendencies. This doesn’t prove intent, and it doesn’t imply a coordinated effort. But it does show that certain Ukrainian athletes (and even Ukrainian artists in other fields) have at times benefited from favourable interpretations or decisions in international contexts. Whether this is due to individual referees, institutional caution, or broader sentiment is open to debate, but the pattern itself is observable. So yes - Usyk is a great boxer, but greatness doesn’t mean beyond criticism. His résumé at heavyweight is limited, his size is often misrepresented, and some aspects of his career have unfolded under circumstances that deserve scrutiny, not blind acceptance.

No one in boxing has “earned” the right to fight only once a year vs a bum. He’s also gone to split dec twice vs very good but not elite opponents. Let’s not make it more than what it is. No one wants to see a third fight with Fury or Dubois. It may take time to negotiate for a fight with Fury, but not Kabayel & Itauma. At the end of the day, Usyk can do whatever he wants. But if he chooses he easy path, then he should be demoted from the top of the P4P list. The great white hope effect shouldn’t apply here.exactly this isn't a retirement goodbye fight nor a tuneup one a year reigning champ who still in good condition needs to face the top contenders

Usyk can fight whoever he wants. Just strip him from his damn belts.

why is he fighting a kickboxer though if there are no fights out there for him? thats simply not true. he just doesnt want to possibly lose and jeopardize future big fights but the big money fights are against the guys who arent the best and guys hes already beaten so he might as well just retire if hes unwililng to fight the best contenders out there because they arent "big money" thats a classic BS excuse He's fighting a kickboxer because he's out of the game. He took on the guys he needed to. He fought the guys with belts. He fought the obvious challengers. All that's left for him is legacy fights and I'm not sure they exist right now. You could argue that Moses Itauma is a legacy fight - but I don't see him and Frank trying to push the fight. So Usyk will fight for money. It's hard to argue against. I just think the orgs should be stripping him.