Is Zuffa just adding to the "belt" problem?

This is part of my main problem with Zuffa. I see it as a want to try and come in and takeover attempt with the financial backing of the Saudi's. To answer the common complaint boxing fans have had forever with all the belts. Though now that the reality might be knocking, it might make you take a step back and think about what that means. If it means consolidating a global sport into 1 "franchise" or company, then I can see a problem because as long as the world belts exist, fighters will want to fight for them and not get locked down by 1 company who has 1 belt and if you're not part of that company, you're not technically the champion of the world. It is why in Soccer when they tried to create the European Super League Franchise, the actual global sport of soccer 'overrode the idea'. It had nothing to do with funding, quite simply? Open class global sports, understand that becoming a franchise will actually marginalize their sport 'and reduce the participation levels'. Note: The UFC has less than 1000 active fighters, which consist of all weight divisions 'The UFC does not represent the entire world of mixed martial arts. It has no World Champions, only franchise World Champions. Which is great for business, but not really for the sport'. Although American has dominated boxing, 'the sport of pugilism is still a European cultured sport. And in my opinion the Franchise sports Model is a part of American culture and somewhat of a sporting obsession'. NBA, NFL, none of those sports are open class global sports 'they are all franchise sports. They don't have World Champions'. This is why I have stated? To take over boxing, it will require more than just funding 'Zuffa boxing may create a great product, a separate franchise of boxing. But those 600 to 1000 active fighters are not going to be the representation of the entire global sport of boxing. Those are the facts'. And it is not even solely about World titles, the Lonsdale British title is the most prestige professional title in boxing why? Because of the historical significance. The most prestigious American boxing title in my opinion is the Golden Gloves boxing Championships. To conclude: An European based and culture sport like boxing, will be very difficult to completely take over by this franchise sports model. Boxing is exciting, because at any given time a prospect can appear 'rise up from the masses, completely off the radar. Because the talent pool of boxing, just like in all other open class global sports is the entire World' etc.

The belts or titles have never been the problem 'I think having more titles, can sometimes be a positive. Because they can create narratives and increase the prestige of boxing events. Especially when you have two fighters that are not mega stars'. But then there is a level in boxing, where the fighters alleviate themselves beyond the belts 'fighters such as Floyd Mayweather Junior, Mike Tyson, Manny Pacquiao and Oleksandr Uysk are fighters who in my opinion have reached this level in recent times'. Note: The issue arises when? Fight organisations don't follow strict rules and regulations. Or if they want to somehow marginalize the sport, in the case of Zuffa Boxing. The fact of the matter is, most people with society 'have no idea the significance of World titles. The most historical significant, and most prestigious title in boxing is still the Olympic title by miles'. Boxing is about theatre, and narrative driven fights 'if those types of fights are being made, then this is what makes the sport great. The titles add to the prestige and significance of fights'. To conclude: So overall Zuffa Boxing will not be a problem to boxing, if they just aim to make great fights 'it will only become a issue, if they have this distorted ambition to take over the sport. And turn a truly open class global sport into a franchise sport, which consist of a few hundred active fighters i.e. that is essentially what the UFC is as a product'. The UFC has zero World Champions, Global World Champions don't exist in franchise sports 'you only have champions of the franchise for which they are competing in, against a talent pool which is nowhere near the vastness of Global boxing' etc. This is part of my main problem with Zuffa. I see it as a want to try and come in and takeover attempt with the financial backing of the Saudi's. To answer the common complaint boxing fans have had forever with all the belts. Though now that the reality might be knocking, it might make you take a step back and think about what that means. If it means consolidating a global sport into 1 "franchise" or company, then I can see a problem because as long as the world belts exist, fighters will want to fight for them and not get locked down by 1 company who has 1 belt and if you're not part of that company, you're not technically the champion of the world.

Doesnt take away the facts of what I stated. Their futbol programming alone, is dope af, and brings in more money than boxing will ever Why are you talking about football? This is a boxing forum and my point was about boxing. DAZN tried to take over boxing and failed miserably.

DAZN spent a billion dollars planning up buy up all the talent and own the sport. Didn't happen. Instead, they handed out welfare checks to nobodies like Tevin Farmer and Demetrius Andrade. Doesnt take away the facts of what I stated. Their futbol programming alone, is dope af, and brings in more money than boxing will ever

The belts or titles have never been the problem 'I think having more titles, can sometimes be a positive. Because they can create narratives and increase the prestige of boxing events. Especially when you have two fighters that are not mega stars'. But then there is a level in boxing, where the fighters alleviate themselves beyond the belts 'fighters such as Floyd Mayweather Junior, Mike Tyson, Manny Pacquiao and Oleksandr Uysk are fighters who in my opinion have reached this level in recent times'. Note: The issue arises when? Fight organisations don't follow strict rules and regulations. Or if they want to somehow marginalize the sport, in the case of Zuffa Boxing. The fact of the matter is, most people with society 'have no idea the significance of World titles. The most historical significant, and most prestigious title in boxing is still the Olympic title by miles'. Boxing is about theatre, and narrative driven fights 'if those types of fights are being made, then this is what makes the sport great. The titles add to the prestige and significance of fights'. To conclude: So overall Zuffa Boxing will not be a problem to boxing, if they just aim to make great fights 'it will only become a issue, if they have this distorted ambition to take over the sport. And turn a truly open class global sport into a franchise sport, which consist of a few hundred active fighters i.e. that is essentially what the UFC is as a product'. The UFC has zero World Champions, Global World Champions don't exist in franchise sports 'you only have champions of the franchise for which they are competing in, against a talent pool which is nowhere near the vastness of Global boxing' etc.

In the short term at least but who cares? The situation is already farcical so if a byproduct of the attempted Zuffa takeover is the death of a few sanctioning bodies then that's a good outcome by itself. There are currently four guys calling themselves heavyweight champion even though the real champion (who's about to fight a kickboxer) holds three belts. Doesn't get more farcical than that and none of it is Zuffa's fault.

More like pbc. Dazn is an international sports channel/app. Boxing is only one of many sports they show DAZN spent a billion dollars planning up buy up all the talent and own the sport. Didn't happen. Instead, they handed out welfare checks to nobodies like Tevin Farmer and Demetrius Andrade.

So did the UFC belt really, but I always thought they had similar audience except UFC had the dudes that "grew" out of WWE once they realized it was all fake. It's just going to suck because we're going to get back to the, they're on the other side of the street conversations when trying to make fights happen. Let's be honest, that was a nightmare. I know you still get some of that though it's mostly promoters not wanting to do business with another promoter until they put ego aside and realize there is lots of money to be made by both. If Zuffa has exclusive contracts where the fighters can only fight other Zuffa fighters or that if you face a Zuffa fighter, you're not part owned by Zuffa, it's going to make it extremely difficult to put together fights with outside fighters. Wasn't Don King similar in that regard? I may have been too young when I heard this, but did he make it part of contracts that you had to become part of his stable if you took part in one of his bouts? I guess, thinking about it nowadays, that sounds impossible because another promoter is not going to simply lose his fighter so you move to Don's stable by simply losing a match. Yeah, I think Dana is going have to cave eventually if he wants to make big fights. Right now, a lot of the fights on Zuffa are names that I have never heard of. Granted, a lot of them have been very exciting fights but it's hard to get emotionally invested into it when you don't know the guys story line or anything. I don't know how Dana White is going make a fun and competitive heavyweight division without working with Frank Warren tbh. Salita promotions and Top Rank have just about all of the big American heavyweights so I'm skeptical. I don't really watch the NFL so I guess my Sundays can be just watching guys I never heard of.

Dana White has a plan. Time will tell if he'll be able to execute it, or end up like DAZN and PBC. More like pbc. Dazn is an international sports channel/app. Boxing is only one of many sports they show

Yeah, they are. As of right now, other than Jai, they are a minor league version of pro boxers, and I mean that with all respect to the pros who signed with them. But Zuffa doesnt have anything other than TV dates. They dont have top guys,they dont have a who's who of up and comers either. They're just another entity throwing their hat in the ring, no pun intended. They should've just looked and studied what happened with pbc and the time they tried to create their own belt.

The Zuffa belt looks like something from the WWE So did the UFC belt really, but I always thought they had similar audience except UFC had the dudes that "grew" out of WWE once they realized it was all fake. It's just going to suck because we're going to get back to the, they're on the other side of the street conversations when trying to make fights happen. Let's be honest, that was a nightmare. I know you still get some of that though it's mostly promoters not wanting to do business with another promoter until they put ego aside and realize there is lots of money to be made by both. If Zuffa has exclusive contracts where the fighters can only fight other Zuffa fighters or that if you face a Zuffa fighter, you're not part owned by Zuffa, it's going to make it extremely difficult to put together fights with outside fighters. Wasn't Don King similar in that regard? I may have been too young when I heard this, but did he make it part of contracts that you had to become part of his stable if you took part in one of his bouts? I guess, thinking about it nowadays, that sounds impossible because another promoter is not going to simply lose his fighter so you move to Don's stable by simply losing a match.

The Zuffa belt looks like something from the WWE

Dana White has a plan. Time will tell if he'll be able to execute it, or end up like DAZN and PBC.

Zuffa is betting on legislative changes because Dana White is best friends with Trump. with legislatives changes, Zuffa will basically muscle out the current WBC, WBO and IBF. Making them the only game in town. Then White will implement the same economic model as UFC. Much less pay for fighters and strict exclusivity. Fighters have no say who and when they fight. F@@@@ck Zuffa

It’s not a big deal to me. That said, when PBC tried doing my this, NSB was in an uproar saying it was a problem. There aren't enough passionate, opinionated posters left at this place to create an uproar about anything, unfortunately.

The belt problem = there are too many belts. Creating another belt is obviously adding to the problem, at least in the short term. I believe Turki and Dana's long term plan is to make Zuffa, in association with Ring magazine, into "the UFC of boxing" I get that. But the Ring already has a belt - arguably the most recognisable and iconic belt in the whole of combat sport. So why throw another tacky, stupid looking belt, with a stupid, tacky sounding name, into the mix? Beats me.

There has not been 1 belt in over 100 years. Jack Dempsey over 100 years ago at the same time held the NYSAC belt the NBA (now WBA) belt and the Ring belt. But people love going on about need to go back to 1 belt days but don't even know when that day is, there were multiple belts even in their great grandads days. Yeah I know there was other belts and also coloured titles and the rest but none of them were really deemed legitimate is what I'm saying. Unlike decades later when they were. My point was Zuffa could join them, maybe. Who knows.

Can't see it gaining legitimacy but hey, I never thought the WBO would ever be a legitimate world title and it became one, so :thinking: You never know. There was originally only one belt in boxing, all of a sudden they starting bringing new made up belts in for no reason like the WBC belt and nobody liked but it but they swiftly became legitimate when the right fighter held them and fast forward 50 or so years and its as if they were always there. There has not been 1 belt in over 100 years. Jack Dempsey over 100 years ago at the same time held the NYSAC belt the NBA (now WBA) belt and the Ring belt. But people love going on about need to go back to 1 belt days but don't even know when that day is, there were multiple belts even in their great grandads days.

It’s not a big deal to me. That said, when PBC tried doing my this, NSB was in an uproar saying it was a problem. They were in an uproar cause they were a bunch of posters at the time. Now it's like 8 people on here.

It's the pbc belt all over again. A Mickey mouse belt with no legacy, no history and it even looks trash.